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Is it possible to do the ICC (own boat) in a day? And am I right in thinking that the ICC is the only formal qualification charter brokers would look for when charting something about 12-14m in the SoF or Croatia, or do I need something more?

Cheers
Jimmy
 
ICC was changed in Jan 05.
If You do PB2 which then having done that Course You can apply for and get ICC.
It is good for 10 Metres.
Upgrade to Intermediate or Advanced Power Boat is needed for over 10 metres.
Can,t remember which now.
Too Much Lube has passed through the System, well passing as I type!
Whereabouts are You?
 
We're in Brighton. I've done PB1&2 ages ago, but swmbo hasn't done anything. Having said that, she can park the T37 without too much drama...

If poss I'd like to get the ICC ticket for us both pdq, pref on the T37 - but it depends if I can get it fitted into a day somewhere.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
you should be able to get it done on your own boat and certainly in a day..............contact solitaire powerskipper or one of the other instructors on here for arrangements / confirmation.

your pb level 2 will get you one but not for over 10m now.

on the other hand I am not convinced that the broker wouldn't accept your log book/experience plus existing rya qualifications - it is afterall his call.
 
As said PB2 Only gives You 30 ft ish.
Why not go on a Charter/ Course with the likes of the Sealine bods in Majorca/ Menorca?
Crack two whatsits with one similar whatsit?
Just a thought.
If You have done PB2 some time ago You could "Fast Track" PB intermediate I suppose.
ICC 10 metre is no good to You it seems.
Think You need a "Bigger one"
Then again don,t know how Srict the Scene is over there.
Some peeps say they have never been asked.
No doubt someone will be along to tell us shortly.
 
I got slated for saying this a while ago, but here goes;

I did ICC in one day on my own boat, good idea to swot up the theory bits first as it was purely assesment and no tuition, or could you do it over two Saturdays?
I like the idea of doing it it the sun (the course that is)
 
Sorry but an ICC has nothing at all to do with chartering a vessel abroad.

The resolution states that the ICC may be issued by a government to its nationals and residents who are bound for the waters of foreign countries on vessels registered by that government, on condition that it accepts the requirements and conditions set out in Resolution 40. This means that a UK ICC allows UK Citizens and bonafide UK residents in UK registered pleasure craft (up to 24m in length) to visit the waters of foreign states that participate in Resolution 40, without the need to comply with those states’ Cabotage laws, particularly their national certification requirements which in many cases are compulsory.
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an ICC IS NOT a qualification so nothing at all to do with charetring, it is ONLY valid if you are IN a UK REGISTERED BOAT abroad, if you did a British ICC (or a boat registered to the country you did your ICC in)

see http://www.rya.org.uk/KnowledgeBase/boatingabroad/icc/ICC.htm

hope this helps, i have seen so much rubbish and rumours posted on this and other forums on various subjects it is worrying that people believe it, best to supply documentary evidence of the source to confirm things i guess. i suggest you always check out any info given on here to make sure it is right, it is only cyberspace with a lot of think they know it alls about. i do agree there a very experts on here but the loudest and most convincing is not necessarily the expert

i am just learning and double check everything, that is why i have uncovoured some nonsense spouted on here and other forums, as well as noticing people doing things for their own good like selling boats and promoting their own business, it is very commercial if you look closely. i have also found out and learned a lot whilst watching as well so makes it worthwhile just be guarded against the old know it alls that are now out of touch
 
well that tells us doesn't it.........................

even your factual bit [ QUOTE ]
The resolution states that the ICC may be issued by a government to its nationals and residents who are bound for the waters of foreign countries on vessels registered by that government, on condition that it accepts the requirements and conditions set out in Resolution 40. This means that a UK ICC allows UK Citizens and bonafide UK residents in UK registered pleasure craft (up to 24m in length) to visit the waters of foreign states that participate in Resolution 40, without the need to comply with those states’ Cabotage laws, particularly their national certification requirements which in many cases are compulsory.

[/ QUOTE ] is easliy open to misinterpretation when it states......which means that........." " as the actual length of craft any particular ICC will cover is dependent on the original issue date and or craft for which it was issued. 24m is simply the overall max for which the system applies. I know you knew that but we wouldn't want anyone else to take the wrong information from your post.

While on 'information' - the statement that ICCs have nothing to do with chartering a vessel abroad is also a little misleading surely? If fact even if you were more accurately to state that it has nothing to do with operating a charter vessel owned, registered and operated abroad this would still strictly be incorrect.

All countries that require some form of qualification to operate vessels have local arrangements with charter firms. Within these local arrangements many different factors can apply but the generel principle is that the charter firm undertakes to ensure that people chartering their vessels are competent to do so with reference to the local requirements and they, the charter firm, are on the hook for that. In some cases the basis for establishment is documented, in others it's not. Unsurprisingly many charter firms are prepared, or even choose as a preference, to take RYA qualifications into account in either indicating the levels required or as prima facie evidence of competence TO THEM. IN most cases this is qualified by the need to confirm actual type experience as well which recognises one of the weaknesses of the original catchall categories of the ICC. Thus it (having an ICC) is clearly not 'nothing to do with chartering a vessel abroad'

would you please be a little more carefull with your posts as I and others are getting a little concerned about the old know it alls that are now out of touch
 
call the rya and get the facts, it is NOT a qualification and is there in black and white. it does NOT cover you chartering a vessel, if anything happens in a non UK registered vessel then you will have been expected to have the equivelant qualification in the country you are boating in. You are ONLY protected if you are in a registered vessel of the country you qualified for your ICC in, its there to read and I have spoken with them, end of story.

if you hear different please tell me because i was annoyed at being misled by comments on this forum to do it and found it was not worth the paper it was written on unless i was in my own boat abroad and i havent got a boat to take yet and when i do it wont be big enough to take so it was all a pure waste of time and money.
 
i am just going on what i was told when i rang the rya AFTER getting my certificate, please ring them and let me know what they tell you. i agree it is confusing but clear it is only for in the vessel from acountry you got your ICC from.

i posted the link and have said it is better to confirm things yourself, all seems a hotch pot of confusion to me, i expected to get the ICC and that be a type of licence to boat almost anywhere but it is NOT
 
this is quite an interesting angle. If I understand the views, it is that commonly a charter co would require some sort of proof of competence b4 letting you loose on their boat, maybe ICC, but there may be legal requirements in a particular country regarding qualifications, and, (especially when it comes to an insurance claim,I guess) the ICC may not be deemed adequate?
Would have thought if this were commonly an issue, it would be understood better? Still, must be a few on here who are familiar with the laws on this in some countries?
Rather an agressive posting , by the way lou.
 
here is more confusion and admission of it

www.unece.org/trans/doc/2002/sc3/TRANS-SC3-2002-05a1e.pdf

seems you are at the mercy of the official who stopped you, god help you if it was a fatal accident and you didnt have the right stuff, but what is the right stuff. (see netherlands and switzerland differences)

what bugs me is as i said i thought i was getting a worldwide boating licence, perhaps they should make it clearer as to what you are really getting e.g. confusion which they are charging you for and boating schools selling
 
Suggestion:-

(1) Check with the RYA if your current quals can be acceptable for an ICC to be issued (free if your a member).
(2) If not, Yes you can do your ICC on own boat - should only take a day.
 
and I apologise for responding agressively too.........

the issues are not new and lou's post is as confusing as clarifing; that he hasn't responded at all to my points is also poor.

high level

1. operating your own vessel under your own flag in others (who have signed up) waters they accept that you are qualified/able/competent on the basis of a document issued by your country

2. you cannot circumvent the local requirements for qualifications with such a document issued by another country - for example skippering a dutch flagged vessel in Holland with a UK issued ICC .............but BUT

3. all countries have agreements with comercial operators that circumvent these requirements, mainly in place for locals wanting to hire vessels but equally applicable to non residents more formally chartering, and the majority of these are based on the hire/charter firm taking responsibility for competence. Increasingly these are choosing to recognise RYA qualifications in preference to delivering a documented training package (bow, stern, wheel, throttle......... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif) more applicable to a Blue Line hire on the central european waterways.

Bottom line - and ICC is not an international (or even european) skippers ticket unless in the latter in your own craft flagged by the issing country.

nothing confusing until someone brings charters into it!
 
i am NOT an ICC expert i am only relaying what the RYA told me, so cannot answer or should say not qualified to answer questions by you that not even the rya or the world seem to know the answers to. all i know is i have a worthless piece of paper and wanted to warn other to CHECK that this piece of paper will be OF ANY USE to them for their particular circumstances
 
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all i know is i have a worthless piece of paper and wanted to warn other to CHECK that this piece of paper will be OF ANY USE to them for their particular circumstances



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your approach makes a whole lot more sense now - I have a piece of paper that delivered exactly what I expected and required
 
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please ring them and let me know what they tell you

[/ QUOTE ] why - what have the RYA got to do with foreign chartering?

my next/last use for the thing relates to the charter of a yacht in Greece this summer. The requirements are between me, the charter firm, thei and local regulator - if they want me to have a US passaport, russian driving licence and be able to swim 2 miles that their business and nothing to do witht he RYA.
 
maybe you have a boat that could make france with agood tide and some wind, but i will never have one that big for a while so will not be going abroad. just the confusion that i saw it as a licence to show like renting a car, but sadly not so. sorry if it was a bit aggresive but i feel i have been led into getting something that was not for the purpose i was led to believe it was, i would be interested to know if reading all the links has changed anyones elses minds as to whether it is or is not for them
 
This is interesting. I got this from www.yacht-charter-holidays.co.uk:

At least one member of your party must hold sailing qualifications equivalent to RYA/DOT Day Skipper level (in some cases if you can provide a resume detailing adequate experience of skippering a similar size yacht in similar waters, this may suffice), for Greece, a second person must be qualified, or experienced, to RYA/DOT Competent Crew level. For Croatia the Skipper must also hold a VHF license.


... so it looks like Day Skipper is what you need, plus at least one other crew member with ICC. Bah. Back to the drawing board...

Cheers
Jimmy
 
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