Question on RYA dayskipper's certification

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jon and michie

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Hi - I have a quick question.
I am planning to do the day skippers theory this coming November then hopefully do the practical next season.
I have got my powerboat 2 and icc cert - on the cert it states no greater than 10 metres in length (assuming the boat I am qualified to sail).

Now hopefully when I complete the Day skippers courses will/would a restriction be put on the cert ? i.e my current boat is 9.5 metres in length but I would like to upgrade 13 metres but the certification restricts me.

Many thanks for any advice

Jon
 
I used to teach Day Skipper and sign of ICC's

An ICC is a from of test and licence that is needed for some European countries and is regarding as being a slightly higher than Day Skipper...never found out why though!

The Day Skipper has no test and is more of a course completion certificate.

The ICC does come with some size limitations for some European waters but the Day Skipper does not as it's not a licence so can't restrict you. I used to do ICC's for people wanting to hire a boat abroad and it's basically a Day Skipper with a signature on a from at the end of the course.

Hope this helps.
 
Going through this myself, so have a bit to add....I am assuming you are referring to Powerboat day skipper.

The reason I ask is that I have powerboat 2 and sailing day skipper. To get an ICC, I would have the powerboat portion restricted to 10m which is a pain as my boat is 15m. I am taking the ICC in the upcoming month and will be able to get a full ICC.

As I have sail day skipper, I would not be limited to the size of the boat (per an ICC) as long as it's a sailboat, but I have a powerboat too so the sail day skipper is no help to get restriction lifted.

Hope above makes sense.
 
Thanks Paul - so basically I would need a full icc to have the 10metre restriction lifted.

As a side note - if I sailed to France and I have powerboat 2 with the icc and dayskipper certs - would there be a consequence with the authorities?
(this question is only relating to sailing qualifications not the sort)
Jon
 
jon and michie said:
Thanks Paul - so basically I would need a full icc to have the 10metre restriction lifted.

As a side note - if I sailed to France and I have powerboat 2 with the icc and dayskipper certs - would there be a consequence with the authorities?
(this question is only relating to sailing qualifications not the sort)
Jon
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No Jon, I think if you do the day skipper powerboat, the restriction is lifted. My problem is that although I have pb2, my day skipper was sailing not power boat, so I cant get the restriction lifted until I either take full ICC or take day skipper power boat course not the sail (which I have)
 
I find this thread a little confusing..

You can own a +10m boat and not have a Day Skipper or ICC. You in fact dont need any qualification at all... Albeit you need to know how to handle the boat and should have at the least some tuition on it before using the boat.

The Day Skipper courses will give you the practical and theoretical knowledge to helm a larger motor boat +10m, as well as solid plotting, nav and map s. Once you have the practical ticket you can get an ICC certificate through the RYA, as that proves your competence to be issued with the ICC. Your ICC can then be used if you take your boat to Europe or also means you can charter vessels in Europe over 10m (subject of course to local rules and regs).
 
Jcwads - I am wanting to take the day skipper's course - I currently have a powerboat 2 cert and icc on my current icc it is limited to a boat no more than 10 meters - I was asking that as and when I complete the day skipper's course would that come with a restriction.
it has been said that all I need to do is re apply for a new icc once I complete the course to get the restriction lifted
in the future I want to sail to france and have al relevant paperwork in order.

jon
 
When I did my ICC several years ago I was advised that the rules had changed and the size of boat on which you do your practical determines whether or not the ICC will be restricted to 10m. As a consequence we used our own boat, as it was over 10m, instead of the school RIB so no restriction - well I think it might be 24m (haven’t checked) but that is a mute point as far as we are concerned :)
 
If you have a PB2 with ICC your ICC is for boats up to 10m. If you complete an RYA Day Skipper course you can apply for an ICC that is good for boats up to 24m. You can also gain an ICC for boats up to 24m by undertaking an ICC course or via a Direct Assessment. So you don't need a DS qualification... the DS course is a route to gaining an ICC but no the only route. More info here: https://www.mendezmarine.co.uk/course/international-certificate-of-competence-icc/
 
Thank you paulandness - I was really just asking. If there was a restriction once I completed the dayskipper course.
I will be doing the dayskipper course to improve and learn more on navigation etc.
Thanks again
Jon
 
Greg2 said:
When I did my ICC several years ago I was advised that the rules had changed and the size of boat on which you do your practical determines whether or not the ICC will be restricted to 10m. As a consequence we used our own boat, as it was over 10m, instead of the school RIB so no restriction - well I think it might be 24m (haven’t checked) but that is a mute point as far as we are concerned :)
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We did our ICC practical on our 12m boat and the certificate restricts us to 'Power' (not sail or PWC) and Inland Waters' (not Coastal) but no length restriction. My BiL who did the same ICC but who owns a 9m boat, did his ICC practical on our boat so that he could get an unrestricted (lengthwise) ICC>
 
Just one or 2 points on ICC -
- full syllabus & application can be found on RYA web site on the application form
- if you have the knowledge & well prepared, no courses are necessary - go straight for assessment
- with satisfactory completion of Day Skipper motor, ICC is up to 24m
- if done by assessment, 10m or 24m will be according to the size of vessel on which examination took place.

Paul
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I have to agree with an earlier comment that I too found this thread confusing. I can only comment from my own experience. I hold a Motor Boat Day Skipper Tidal unlimited length. This requires substantial theory work and formal tests through an RYA approved assessment company - I do not understand an earlier comment which said that there were no tests. Upon successful completion of the theory it is necessary to complete a 4 or 5 day practical at a RYA approved centre. This will give you the DS Qualification. It also automatically gives you an ICC - the reverse is not the case; the ICC is a much easier certification to obtain on its own. However, for charter in a number of EU countries DS is required. I cannot comment on ownership. To be clear, I am referring only to motor boats, not powerboats or sail.
 
Mariscalcus said:
. I hold a Motor Boat Day Skipper Tidal unlimited length. This requires substantial theory work and formal tests through an RYA approved assessment company - I do not understand an earlier comment which said that there were no tests.
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It's not unlimited length, it's 24m.

DS theory is not mandatory to take DS practical.

DS practical is a course completion certificate.
 
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