VO5
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You are perfectly correct. But either...if in shallow water ideally a'cockerbill and in deeper water aweigh.
My priority would be to get out asap in any event.
Question of Seamanship
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My priority would be to get out asap in any event.
Lakesailor
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Do you all dress in 19th century garb and talk in riddles like those people who work in cultural museums?
VO5
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Some of us are seamen, others are pond sailors or lorry drtvers is the difference.
MASH
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fnaaar!
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But, but, you don't really mean that me virtual harties are not dressed in such garb; its de rigueur is in not? I am floundering!
Seven Spades
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OK we are in a square rigger?
How about drop a stern anchor, haul up the bow anchor and the the ship ail be riding stern to the wind, then you can quickly haul in the stern anchor and let out some reefs.
I have never sailed in a square rigger so I have no idea if this is possible or if they would carry a stern anchor, but it is a plan.
How about drop a stern anchor, haul up the bow anchor and the the ship ail be riding stern to the wind, then you can quickly haul in the stern anchor and let out some reefs.
I have never sailed in a square rigger so I have no idea if this is possible or if they would carry a stern anchor, but it is a plan.
oldbilbo
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I'm thinking this is about 'The Slope of the Wind'....
Again from 'Seamanship In The Age Of Sail' it is argued that the wind strengthens and veers with height - at least in the northern hemisphere. That suggests that, for a 'ship' on port tack, the stronger breeze in the upper sails - assumed well-trimmed - draws forward. One has to bear away to keep the upper sail(s) drawing.
For the same 'ship' on starboard tack, the wind hauls aft with height - especially so in the gusts. Consequently, the upper sails can be braced further round without stalling/going aback and the ship can be pinched a little closer to the wind i.e. more 'twist'. Therefore VMG should be rather better on starboard. There might be as much as one-and-a-half points in it.....
Much the same argument applies to gaff-rigged vessels carrying efficient gaff topsails. Ask the guys who race the Falmouth Quay Punts in winter, or the occasional Fife.... or even a tall-rigged racing multihull such as an AC 45.
Er, as I understand it....
Again from 'Seamanship In The Age Of Sail' it is argued that the wind strengthens and veers with height - at least in the northern hemisphere. That suggests that, for a 'ship' on port tack, the stronger breeze in the upper sails - assumed well-trimmed - draws forward. One has to bear away to keep the upper sail(s) drawing.
For the same 'ship' on starboard tack, the wind hauls aft with height - especially so in the gusts. Consequently, the upper sails can be braced further round without stalling/going aback and the ship can be pinched a little closer to the wind i.e. more 'twist'. Therefore VMG should be rather better on starboard. There might be as much as one-and-a-half points in it.....
Much the same argument applies to gaff-rigged vessels carrying efficient gaff topsails. Ask the guys who race the Falmouth Quay Punts in winter, or the occasional Fife.... or even a tall-rigged racing multihull such as an AC 45.
Er, as I understand it....
Sybarite
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I believe it was a question of prevailing winds. Tall ships anchored from the starboard side so that, in raising the anchor, the ship would veer away from the shore.
Kukri
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If lying to a hemp cable, station men with axes on the foredeck; if it be chain, veer it until the pin securing the cable can be broken out (to this day and hour, merchant ships carry a flogging hammer adjacent to the chain lockers for this purpose!)
Bend a spring on the warp and haul in unti she will lie close hauled under topsails and staysails. Hoist staysails in stops and have men on the topsail yards. Break out and sheet home staysails and topsails, cut the cable and the spring. She will gain steerage way immediately and will answer her helm when you need to tack.
Do I pass?
Bend a spring on the warp and haul in unti she will lie close hauled under topsails and staysails. Hoist staysails in stops and have men on the topsail yards. Break out and sheet home staysails and topsails, cut the cable and the spring. She will gain steerage way immediately and will answer her helm when you need to tack.
Do I pass?
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jwilson
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Yes, but the owner will grumble that he wanted his anchor back....
sighmoon
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+1
However uncomfortable, it's probably safer than trying to get out of a bay in a ship that can only go 60 degrees to the wind, and can't tack.
oldbilbo
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fisherman
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Haharrrr! Avast and belay ye parish-rigged dogs.
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MarkG
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Methinks that as the wind is coming right in, we would not be able to sail out.
As I'm anchored ,lets say to the steerboard anchor, I would have the larboard anchor let go and rowed out.
Haul the steerboad anchor until is a'cockbill.
Haul in the larboard until just about to release from the bottom, then row the steerboard anchor out and vice versa until clear of the bay... Mr Christian...
As I'm anchored ,lets say to the steerboard anchor, I would have the larboard anchor let go and rowed out.
Haul the steerboad anchor until is a'cockbill.
Haul in the larboard until just about to release from the bottom, then row the steerboard anchor out and vice versa until clear of the bay... Mr Christian...
MASH
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Mutter, "Screw it all!" and crawl back into bed?
prr
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Yes thats pretty much it.
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I should note carefully which horn of the bay she would safely clear; then take a spring from what will be my weather quarter to the cable; fill on the after yards for the tack I go out on, and square the fore yards; when all is ready slip the cable, holding on by the spring; when she is sufficiently round, fill on all and cut the spring.
Next question
Whenever you have to slip from a cable what would you do?
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Bouy the cable
When the storms over the ship would return and pick up the bouy again. This is wonderfully discribed in Richard Dana's Two Years before the Mast, returning to the bouy was an opportunity for captains to show off their skill.
quote; ''This picking up your cables is a very nice piece of work. It requires some seamanship to do it, and come to at your former moorings, without letting go another anchor. Our captain never let go a second anchor during all the time that I was with him. ''
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fisherman
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Well damn. I was watching the N wind screaming off the land an hour ago and thinking of a phrase from that book, when the ship was hurriedly sailed out from San Francisco, and became a 'white cloud on the horizon'.