PWC/Jetski...isn't there an equivalent of driving license-disqualification?

[Searush]

So what's the answer SR ?? just let the Law breakers cause havoc because some may totally disregard them ? imagine if on the crowded roads of today if anyone could just go out and buy a powerful car or motor cycle and career along the highway .

The roads are NOT a sensible analogy, are they? You are limited to driving on narrow roads (mostly) they pass thro towns where pedestrian & motor traffic levels can be VERY high, and cars travel at far greater speeds than boats.

Most boats travel at displacement speeds in channels many time wider than the biggest roads (or the open sea) and much lower traffic levels (even in the English Channel TSS which is pretty extreme example). OK, there are high powered planing craft, but there are already policed bye-law speed limits in force in areas of high risk (like moorings & launch/ recovery areas) AND the fines can be eye-watering compared to road traffic fines.

I don't offer an answer, because I don't believe there is even a problem to solve. This post is about 2 jetskis speeding & getting away with it, no-one was actually hurt were they? Jetskis are annoying in a moorings, but tend to generate less wash than bigger boats. Please explain why we need to pay for a couple of million quids worth of laws, infrastructure & enforcement for this problem.

 

[clyst]

The roads are NOT a sensible analogy, are they? You are limited to driving on narrow roads (mostly) they pass thro towns where pedestrian & motor traffic levels can be VERY high, and cars travel at far greater speeds than boats.

Most boats travel at displacement speeds in channels many time wider than the biggest roads (or the open sea) and much lower traffic levels (even in the English Channel TSS which is pretty extreme example). OK, there are high powered planing craft, but there are already policed bye-law speed limits in force in areas of high risk (like moorings & launch/ recovery areas) AND the fines can be eye-watering compared to road traffic fines.

I don't offer an answer, because I don't believe there is even a problem to solve. This post is about 2 jetskis speeding & getting away with it, no-one was actually hurt were they? Jetskis are annoying in a moorings, but tend to generate less wash than bigger boats. Please explain why we need to pay for a couple of million quids worth of laws, infrastructure & enforcement for this problem.

Please explain why we need to pay for a couple of million quids worth of laws, infrastructure & enforcement for this problem.

I think I have ........ IMHO

 

[Tranona]

I think I have ........ IMHO

Having read your post, not sure you have. Seems to me that you have an issue with inherited wealth and what you see as the consequences, as you quote no evidence of specific problems that exist and could be solved by compulsory registration.

If you are going to impose controls and regulations on people you need evidence that there is something about the situation that requires it.

As Searush says, difficult to see what the REAL (rather than imagined) problem is.

 

[chanelyacht]

As Searush says, difficult to see what the REAL (rather than imagined) problem is.

Perhaps the reason the problem is "imagined" is that those not seeing one don't deal every day with the problems caused by unidentifiable craft?

 

[Searush]

So what you really want is a law that requires boats to carry some kind of ID, like a name, sail number or similar & fill in your database.

Interestingly enough I do all that already, & completely voluntarily, but probably don't cause many problems. Those that may cause the problems would ignore your law. So please explain the benefits again.

I still don't think your grand plan will solve your problem, but it will cost us sensible boaters a bloody fortune & a lot of hassle. I don't think I can be bothered explaining it all again, so you may be relieved to know that I may not bother to reply again.

 

[chanelyacht]

So what you really want is a law that requires boats to carry some kind of ID, like a name, sail number or similar & fill in your database.

Interestingly enough I do all that already, & completely voluntarily, but probably don't cause many problems. Those that may cause the problems would ignore your law. So please explain the benefits again.

I still don't think your grand plan will solve your problem, but it will cost us sensible boaters a bloody fortune & a lot of hassle. I don't think I can be bothered explaining it all again, so you may be relieved to know that I may not bother to reply again.

Two things I don't agree with - one, that it need cost a bloody fortune and a lot of hassle. If properly done, it should add anything for those who already do what you do now.

I also don't agree the "problem majority" would ignore the law - if it was easy enough to do, I think most people would carry a registration number (for want of a better phrase). Inland waterways require it - and I haven't noticed protest marches or mass rebellions there.

 

[Tranona]

Perhaps the reason the problem is "imagined" is that those not seeing one don't deal every day with the problems caused by unidentifiable craft?

There is a saying "A way of seeing is a way of not seeing" which underpins enquiry, particularly in the field of social phenomena (which is what we are discussing here).

You see the tiny minority problem as an everyday occurrence so it therefore assumes a dominant position in your world view.

It is more likely that the dominant feature of this phenomenon is the bit you don't see, that is the vast majority who do not present the problems you face and would derive no benefit from a registration system such as you advocate. Many of course do see a benefit so sign up to your voluntary scheme, but there is no justification for compulsion on the grounds that you propose.

I suggest you look at leisure boating holistically using the data that is widely available from a variety of sources. You will find that it is one of the safest leisure activities there is, that the number of casualties by any measure is tiny, and the number of reported incidents is static or declining. Hardly a picture of crisis that calls for the kind of drastic solution you propose.

Please don't take this to mean that I am dismissing the value of knowing more about all users of our coastal waters. For example, the fishing fleet, even though much smaller than the leisure fleet is much more accident prone for all sorts of reasons to do with the inherent dangers of their job and the unstable nature of the boats they use. This is borne out by the large number of incidents involving fishing craft each year and fully justifies a system of regulation and registration. These problems are however, very different in both type and scale from those in the leisure sector.

Regulation and particularly compulsion should be proportionate to the nature and size of the problem and I (along with others) have yet to see anything that suggests the "problem" here justifies greater regulation.

 

[Portofino]

Education that's all we need.
I, am the one who has been " done" ( see previous posts)
My PWC was also registered , what use was that.? Did not stop me speeding
Place a sign or ask them to sign a document before launch identifying the local speed limits .
Next up - enforcement , who,s going to foot the bill of this?.?
Finally not that I want to complicate the debate er what about these Williams like jet tenders all the rage these days , I have seen some " real nutters " tearing about on these , let me think Reg these as well , why not go the whole hog and reg all tenders .No lets squabble over a HP exemption , we wil
Have to employ a council jobs worth to check if your tender should be Reg - causing upset to some kids playing with a rubber dingy on the beach
So you can see where we could end up here.
Peeps with the best will in the Worild , best drop Reg idea .