Putting a foredeck cleat where thereis non

[Blueboatman]

. I suspect the deck is sándwich construction and with the lack of a bow roller the French designer didn’t envisage anchouring.Could a sizable cleat mounted on a solid base be through bolted to a large plot pad under the deck .Not keen on major worksglassing in a solid deck block.The previous owner anchored by the stearin which solved the problem of what to do with the anchour rode,thanks for thoughts

Yes

Or bolt two huge cleats out where the deck meets the hull, usually the thickest layup
Or ( well, AND, really) I put a wooden oak Samson post through the deck of a modern fin and spade boat in line with the anchor locker bulkhead . Belt and braces, daft, wrong ? Nah

Probably got a photo somewhere if you’re at all interested

 

[Chiara’s slave]

The previous owner found it altogether more convenient to anchour by the stearn usually for fishing .Hackett is right as usual I won’t be anchored off the Patagonian coast.will see how it pans out might just manage without although a third position to fix a line wouldnt go amiss

Bring the bitter end back and take a few turns around the mast foot. Or do it with a bight if you’ve only let out 8 metres. I imagine the water is pretty shallow.

 

[Stemar]

A Samson post is a good thing to have and, if there's a bulkhead in the right place to attach it to below, will be stronger than any amount of reinforcing of the deck to take a cleat - more than enough for that future Patagonian adventure you're in denial about.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

A Samson post is a good thing to have and, if there's a bulkhead in the right place to attach it to below, will be stronger than any amount of reinforcing of the deck to take a cleat - more than enough for that future Patagonian adventure you're in denial about.

On a 24 foot day sailing boat that doesn't have a bow roller????

 

[Wansworth]

On a 24 foot day sailing boat that doesn't have a bow roller????

I wonder why a roller or at least a fitting to capture the anchour warp was not fitted .Maybe the boat was envisaged as a daysailer mooring up at night Ina marina.BeingFrench they all got together overa vino or two whilst the hardy “ingles” sought out freedom and solitude at anchour

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I wonder why a roller or at least a fitting to capture the anchour warp was not fitted .Maybe the boat was envisaged as a daysailer mooring up at night Ina marina.BeingFrench they all got together overa vino or two whilst the hardy “ingles” sought out freedom and solitude at anchour

Built down to a price.

 

[Stemar]

On a 24 foot day sailing boat that doesn't have a bow roller????

I'd absolutely want a bow roller. I can't imagine that the area around the forestay fitting wouldn't be plenty strong enough to take one that doesn't stick out far.

 

[LittleSister]

To go with your new Samson post you'll need a proper bow roller, a 40lb Admiralty pattern anchor, 200ft of 3/8" chain, a chain locker to store it in, and weight training for Mrs. W.

 

[LittleSister]

I'd absolutely want a bow roller. I can't imagine that the area around the forestay fitting wouldn't be plenty strong enough to take one that doesn't stick out far.

It's amazing that Dufour 24s have somehow lasted going on 50 years without them, really.

 

[Wansworth]

To go with your new Samson post you'll need a proper bow roller, a 40lb Admiralty pattern anchor, 200ft of 3/8" chain, a chain locker to store it in, and weight training for Mrs. W.

A stearn anchour would balance things out with it’s rode

It's amazing that Dufour 24s have somehow lasted going on 50 years without them, really.

French flair…….historically frenchyachtsmen always carried a consignment ofpartiallygladwomen who wouldn’t invite them to moor up alongside

 

[Poignard]

I personally think it's desirable not to ever need to have more than one line on a cleat at a time.


Consider a situation where you are in a raft.

You might find yourself with:

- Your breast lines forward and aft to the boat you are rafted up on,​

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- Your fore and back springs to the boat you are rafted up on,​

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- Your head and stern lines taken ashore,​

Then someone comes and rafts up on you.

You then have to deal with his lines run to you:

- His breast lines forward and aft,​

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- His fore and back springs.​

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That's a lot rope you've got to find belaying points for.

With my Twister I managed well enough for more than 25 years with 2 large cleats and a samson post on the foredeck, 2 large cleats on the afterdeck, and midship cleats either side; but even then I occasionally found myself having to use the windlass or a sheet winch as an attachment point for a line.

On my 'to do C-list' (the one that often had things added to it, but rarely had anything taken off!) was the addition of 2 more cleats on the foredck and 2 more on the afterdeck.

Maybe her new owner will get round to doing it.

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[Chiara’s slave]

I'd absolutely want a bow roller. I can't imagine that the area around the forestay fitting wouldn't be plenty strong enough to take one that doesn't stick out far.

On a small boat, they’re usually a bit of an eyesore, and stick out like a Greek galley’s ramming thing. So I wouldn’t. I’d just muddle through without it. He’s hardly going to have miles of rode out, is he. You can virtually paddle through most of the Rias.

 

[boomerangben]

I note you don’t have an anchor locker either.

I have two cleats about 1/4 boat length aft of the bow and two fair leads on the bow. Anchor deployed from the cockpit with the rode set up to run from the cockpit (end to which the chain is attached) along the deck, through the bow fairlead and back to the cleat. Anchor tossed over the side deployed from the cockpit and adjusted from the cockpit where you can reach the cleat. You could have something similar using the bow cleat as a fairlead and make fast aft. Whilst having a line permanently rigged isn’t necessarily aesthetically pleasing, it is really handy to have a mechanism where you can moor (use the anchor rode as a spring) or anchor without leaving the cockpit. Your boat won’t need very big mooring loads particularly if you use a mixed rode so a stainless steel carabiner will be adequate to connect chain to rope

 

[Wansworth]

My Mashford 4 tonner,23 loa built in 1936 didn’t have an anchour roller or cleats just a Sampson post

 

[Blueboatman]

On a 24 foot day sailing boat that doesn't have a bow roller????

Yes
Feel free to then add a substantial bow roller to ‘The List’

 

[LittleSister]

French flair…….historically frenchyachtsmen always carried a consignment ofpartiallygladwomen who wouldn’t invite them to moor up alongside

That's a tradition I think you should continue.

 

[Poignard]

I remember returning to my boat to find a tiny French boat rafted up on me with his lines attached to my guardrail stanchions and coachroof grabrails.

When I remarked to its owner that, if he didn't mind, I would prefer some different arrangement he sadly confessed his lines were too short to reach my bow and stern.

I had to lend him some of my spare lines.

Anyway, this tiny boat had on board a husband, wife and two children: a charming family whose company, and wine, we enjoyed for a day or two.

 

[Blueboatman]

I remember returning to my boat to find a tiny French boat rafted up on me with his lines attached to my guardrail stanchions and coachroof grabrails.

When I remarked to its owner that, if he didn't mind, I would prefer some different arrangement he sadly confessed his lines were too short to reach my bow and stern.

I had to lend him some of my spare lines.

Anyway, this tiny boat had on board a husband, wife and two children: a charming family whose company, and wine, we enjoyed for a day or two.

You can’t beat a boat full of French sailors, gauloises smoke, those funny little green beer bottles, female chatter and just Joie de Vivre.

(And sometimes non matching fenders and bits of string)

 

[Wansworth]

That's a tradition I think you should continue.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Can Mrs W be persuaded to get her kit off in suitable fashion?