Pulleys on the tiller?

[daveyjavey]

I’m hoping someone can help me.

I bought an old Beneteau First 26 earlier this year and I’m having lots of fun getting her ship shape again.

However, there are a few things I’m puzzled with (I’ve upgraded from dinghies to yachts, hence my lack of knowledge).

On the tiller at the rudder end, there are two plastic pulley wheels and on of these had an old piece of rope that had been cut. What are they for?

Are they to hold the rudder central when moored up (there are a couple of cleats on the transom, one of which can be seen just by the stanchion above the outboard).

http://i66.tinypic.com/21b28gw.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/2r2rzaf.jpg

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.

 

[lpdsn]

On the tiller at the rudder end, there are two plastic pulley wheels and on of these had an old piece of rope that had been cut. What are they for?

Hard to say, never seen anything like that before. Don't think they're to hold the rudder central as there'll be very little leverage where they are fitted.

They'll have been fitted I guess by a previous owner. It's sometimes hard to discern the reasoning of a PO. Are you still in touch with him? Could you ask?

 

[MoodySabre]

It has a lifting rudder. The item by the stanchion is a jammer for the rope that holds it up. I expect there is one the other side too and the rope feeds round the pulley.

 

[Yellow Ballad]

Would the rope hold the tiller into the stock?

 

[daveyjavey]

Thanks for your reply. I think they were fitted by a previous previous owner.

 

[daveyjavey]

It has a lifting rudder. The item by the stanchion is a jammer for the rope that holds it up. I expect there is one the other side too and the rope feeds round the pulley.

It is a lifting rudder, but those cleats are on the transom, perhaps I should have been more specific, in that there are two cleats at the top of the transom.

I've just found a couple of better pictures that shows the 'unused' by the two stanchions. I'd assumed these were something to do with the pulleys at the end of the tiller. Does this help with solving my mystery?

http://i67.tinypic.com/egy3v5.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/33y2ky1.jpg

Fingers crossed someone has the answer.

Thanks again.

 

[daveyjavey]

Would the rope hold the tiller into the stock?

Hi Tom, no, the tiller is held in with several bolts. It's all a bit wierd really. I've added some more pictures in another reply.

Cheers

 

[{151760}]

Rudder up/downhaul still seems favourite to me.

 

[JohnDL]

Rudder up/downhaul still seems favourite to me.

It looks like the whole rudder assembly slides up on the rod / pintal so as mentioned above the jammer is to hold it up but I am not sure where the pulley fits in unless it was an alternate method now abandoned.

 

[ShinyShoe]

While I don't know how effective it would be - my immediate gut feel was some form of 'self steering' - as in Tiller Tamer

Like this:

https://seamarknunn.com/acatalog/davis-tiller-tamer-2039.html

But rigged to keep the string out the cockpit - with some loss of "leverage"

 

[JohnDL]

I would have a good look here: https://beneteau.sailboatowners.com/ and a few other sites if they are anything like the Achilles group someone there will be able to tell you.

 

[JohnDL]

While I don't know how effective it would be - my immediate gut feel was some form of 'self steering' - as in Tiller Tamer

Like this:

https://seamarknunn.com/acatalog/davis-tiller-tamer-2039.html

But rigged to keep the string out the cockpit - with some loss of "leverage"

A lot cheaper than my autopilot! And probably a useful aid.

 

[Daydream believer]

have a look up the backstay- may be a pair of pullies up there. Then the rudder can be hoisted up the pin because it does not appear to be a pivoting rudder as in a conventional design. There may have been a block & tackle with one end up the backstay where it splits to hoist it up out of the water. Does it slide up in the pin? The picture seems to suggest that the pulley pin is horizintal so that the pull to them has to be vertically; either from the top or bottom. Not the side as in a tiller jammer etc.

 

[VicS]

have a look up the backstay- may be a pair of pullies up there. Then the rudder can be hoisted up the pin because it does not appear to be a pivoting rudder as in a conventional design. There may have been a block & tackle with one end up the backstay where it splits to hoist it up out of the water. Does it slide up in the pin? The picture seems to suggest that the pulley pin is horizintal so that the pull to them has to be vertically; either from the top or bottom. Not the side as in a tiller jammer etc.

I think you are wrong there
The second picture in #1 appears to be of the rudder head removed from the rudder and rotated 90° anticlockwise. I am pretty sure that if the picture was correctly orientated or when fitted you'd find the "pulley pin" is vertical !
I cannot see anyway this would be useful for lifting the rudder. There would be far more elegant ways of doing it.


Maybe , but only a faint maybe, part of a failed self steering system most of which has been removed , or as suggested a part of an ineffective" tiller tamer".

id suggest the OP tidies it up for now and if no use is found for the various bits and pieces remove them at a later date.

 

[ShinyShoe]

The picture seems to suggest that the pulley pin is horizintal so that the pull to them has to be vertically; either from the top or bottom. Not the side as in a tiller jammer etc.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2r2rzaf.jpg

This looks distinctly like it runs side to side ?

 

[PhillM]

A lot cheaper than my autopilot! And probably a useful aid.

+1 for tiller tamer. Although I tried one and wasn’t that impressed.

 

[Daydream believer]

I think you are wrong there
.

Yes I am wrong - Apologies

 

[William_H]

Amazing no one seems to have any ideas about it's use. The pulley block seems only accessible to ropes running immediately aft. Makes me wonder if he had a stern too berth and it was used as a 2 purchase to pull the stern closer to the jetty. Attachment to the rudder was a just a convenient place to place the pulley. I can't imagine any other purpose for lines running straight aft. Or have i got it wrong like so many others. Gooed luck and Happy Christmas olewill