Pros and Cons of 1 2 or 3 to choose to attach to shackle.

[Karnic]

Re Lunch only anchoring ( In emergency wouldn't use this method ), In order to attach chain to anchor shackle ( A ) what will you suggest to use 1 ,2 or 3 ? Pros and cons of 1 2 and 3 ? As stated will use this system for lunch anchoring in calm and not so deep seas and mainly in sand but not always in sand. Anchor would be parked in bow roller while chain and rope in locker. Would need a simple attachment for ease of use. In emergency would attach with a shackle direct to shank. Size of quick link ( 3 )and locking carabiner ( 2 ) would be the same as 1. What do you guys think? I understand its not the best of ideas but as i have no place where to store chain and rope, for lunch anchoring would like some thing quick and easy and i have no help

 

[Seastoke]

First A the pin should be held with wire through the hole to stop the pin coming undone, then I would use 3 so could tighten via spanner.

 

[Gwylan]

Use a soft shackle! Easy, releases on unload and no tools necessary

 

[C08]

Definitely not 1 as twist could detach the anchor; not much to choose between 2 and 3.

 

[MedMilo]

First A the pin should be held with wire through the hole to stop the pin coming undone, then I would use 3 so could tighten via spanner.

I agree - some stainless seizing wire to keep the pin in place and then 3. At least then if the anchor happened to snag somehow, you’d have a fighting chance of the shackle not breaking if you had to give the anchor rode a bit of a tug with the boat.

 

[Karnic]

My only bit of worry is that sand may enter threads and jam the twist lock but a pair of pliers will do the job if need arises. I will only use for a couple of hours under sea and when i will be back at mooring will spray a bit with wd 40 to for ready to use for next trip.

 

[Seastoke]

My only bit of worry is that sand may enter threads and jam the twist lock but a pair of pliers will do the job if need arises. I will only use for a couple of hours under sea and when i will be back at mooring will spray a bit with wd 40 to for ready to use for next trip.

Make sure they are made from 316 then no wd40 needed.

 

[luptonj]

I would go 2 for ease of use.
Also I think the threads are less likely to seize if it comes under pressure at they are only preventing the latch from opening, they won't end up taking the weight.

 

[Bajansailor]

Can you not reverse the shackle in the slot in the anchor, or will the eye for the pin be to wide to go through the slot?
Or put the eye for the pin through the chain first before attaching to the anchor? Or is there not enough room to do this either?

If neither of the above suggestions are feasible, I would go for a second S/S shackle, same as the one shown, rather than option 1, 2 or 3.

 

[Karnic]

I would go 2 for ease of use.
Also I think the threads are less likely to seize if it comes under pressure at they are only preventing the latch from opening, they won't end up taking the weight.

Exact. i am only thinking or overthinking that sand may enter threads and jam the sleeve. But a spare plier would do the job if it happens.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Make sure they are made from 316 then no wd40 needed.

On the contrary, if you ever use threads made with 316 you need lube on them to prevent galling. There are better lubricants than WD40 available though.

 

[john_morris_uk]

My only bit of worry is that sand may enter threads and jam the twist lock but a pair of pliers will do the job if need arises. I will only use for a couple of hours under sea and when i will be back at mooring will spray a bit with wd 40 to for ready to use for next trip.

Re Lunch only anchoring ( In emergency wouldn't use this method ), In order to attach chain to anchor shackle ( A ) what will you suggest to use 1 ,2 or 3 ? Pros and cons of 1 2 and 3 ? As stated will use this system for lunch anchoring in calm and not so deep seas and mainly in sand but not always in sand. Anchor would be parked in bow roller while chain and rope in locker. Would need a simple attachment for ease of use. In emergency would attach with a shackle direct to shank. Size of quick link ( 3 )and locking carabiner ( 2 ) would be the same as 1. What do you guys think? I understand its not the best of ideas but as i have no place where to store chain and rope, for lunch anchoring would like some thing quick and easy and i have no help

None of the above. IMHO

3 can unclip itself if the chain twists back on itself at certain angles and that’s not a risk I’d want to take.
With 2 and 1 you’re putting load on the threads themselves in extreme circumstances. Most of the time all will be fine, but one day, the anchor will get a bit stuck or a squall will come through and if the threads survive at all, you’ll be cutting the shackle off with a hacksaw.

What's wrong with another stainless shackle like the one already on the anchor? And mouse the pin with a bit of Monel wire; it only takes a moment.

 

[BruceK]

I agree with with above. Two shackles is the sensible way to do it.

 

[Karnic]

None of the above. IMHO

3 can unclip itself if the chain twists back on itself at certain angles and that’s not a risk I’d want to take.
With 2 and 1 you’re putting load on the threads themselves in extreme circumstances. Most of the time all will be fine, but one day, the anchor will get a bit stuck or a squall will come through and if the threads survive at all, you’ll be cutting the shackle off with a hacksaw.

What's wrong with another stainless shackle like the one already on the anchor? And mouse the pin with a bit of Monel wire; it only takes a moment.

You are right and i understand that it is not the best possible way to anchor. As said in Emergency i will attach chain and extra lenghts of rope to the main shackle with another shackle . I am trying to find a solution only for lunch anchoring ie im already at bay and in calm seas. Would have preferred to attach shackle to shackle but as i use shackle with the screw in heads ( alen key type ) not the one in pic because with that type of shackle the shackle would pass through the bow roller. Would like an easy quick link and not screwing pins with allen keys etc with a huge possiblity that i loose allen keys and pins . Thanks for your input because you have understand exactly what i meant.

 

[Bajansailor]

I am a bit baffled - if this is for your 'lunch hook', what is your main anchor arrangement - can you describe it please?
How big is the boat, how heavy is the anchor, and what length of chain is involved for each anchor (if there are two)?

Re how the shackle (as shown) will not pass through the bow roller because of the pin width, it would have been useful to mention this in the original post surely, as it seems to be the main reason for not using a shackle like this?
The bottom line is that even for a lunch hook you still want to have a 'proper' shackle, not something you might use on the end of your dog's lead.

 

[john_morris_uk]

You are right and i understand that it is not the best possible way to anchor. As said in Emergency i will attach chain and extra lenghts of rope to the main shackle with another shackle . I am trying to find a solution only for lunch anchoring ie im already at bay and in calm seas. Would have preferred to attach shackle to shackle but as i use shackle with the screw in heads ( alen key type ) not the one in pic because with that type of shackle the shackle would pass through the bow roller. Would like an easy quick link and not screwing pins with allen keys etc with a huge possiblity that i loose allen keys and pins . Thanks for your input because you have understand exactly what i meant.

So if you feel you need to use a shackle with a hex key bolt why not get one of these Teng Tools Metric T-Handle Hex Key 3mm x 100mm (or whatever is the correct size etc) and put it on a lanyard so you can’t drop it overboard?

 

[James L]

None of the above. IMHO

3 can unclip itself if the chain twists back on itself at certain angles and that’s not a risk I’d want to take.
With 2 and 1 you’re putting load on the threads themselves in extreme circumstances. Most of the time all will be fine, but one day, the anchor will get a bit stuck or a squall will come through and if the threads survive at all, you’ll be cutting the shackle off with a hacksaw.

What's wrong with another stainless shackle like the one already on the anchor? And mouse the pin with a bit of Monel wire; it only takes a moment.

with 2 there should be a hook on the latch part that will take the weight under pressure, the thread is just to keep the latch in position.

 

[Karnic]

I am a bit baffled - if this is for your 'lunch hook', what is your main anchor arrangement - can you describe it please?
How big is the boat, how heavy is the anchor, and what length of chain is involved for each anchor (if there are two)?

Re how the shackle (as shown) will not pass through the bow roller because of the pin width, it would have been useful to mention this in the original post surely, as it seems to be the main reason for not using a shackle like this?
The bottom line is that even for a lunch hook you still want to have a 'proper' shackle, not something you might use on the end of your dog's lead.

So. Sorry for the way to explain maybe i was not that accurate. Boat is 19ft Open boat. Only one anchor Bruce type 5 KG parked into a bow roller. True you are right that even for a lunch hook i need to use a proper shackle.
Would use anchor 1 : if i had to stop for some beers in a calm protected bay or 2 :if in emergency i lose power when trying to reach one of the bays here in the Mediterranean seas.( Deep seas and may be rough )
Scenarios 1 and 2 are totally different, When dealing with scenario 2 ( fingers crossed that i dont need to use this )i would take out 5 metres of chain with 60 metres of rope from a laundry basket with a quality shackle and pliers. Attach the schakle of the chain to the anchor shackle , tighten both shackles with pliers and launch.
In scenario 1 i only use few metres of rope and 3 metres of chain in another basket (small ) i store under my seat. So when i reach bay i just take out the small basket under my seat clip to same anchor shackle and launch. In 1 i would like a quick attachment thats why i asked to see the views for the 3 connectors. I understand its not the recommended idea of how to anchor but im just trying to be more practical when at bay.

 

[Bajansailor]

Even for a 19' boat it would still be useful to have two anchors available - you never know when a second one might be needed.

How about keeping the Bruce permanently attached to it's chain and 60 metres of rope, and buying something like a Fortress FX-7 aluminium anchor (same basic shape as a Danforth) to use with the other cable as your lunch hook?
An FX-7 only weighs 1.8 kg -
Fortress Anchors - Fortress Anchors

Alternatively you could get a Guardian G-7 (also 1.8 kg) - the cost of these is less than the Fortress anchors.
Guardian Anchors - Fortress Anchors

 

[James L]

So. Sorry for the way to explain maybe i was not that accurate. Boat is 19ft Open boat. Only one anchor Bruce type 5 KG parked into a bow roller. True you are right that even for a lunch hook i need to use a proper shackle.
Would use anchor 1 : if i had to stop for some beers in a calm protected bay or 2 :if in emergency i lose power when trying to reach one of the bays here in the Mediterranean seas.( Deep seas and may be rough )
Scenarios 1 and 2 are totally different, When dealing with scenario 2 ( fingers crossed that i dont need to use this )i would take out 5 metres of chain with 60 metres of rope from a laundry basket with a quality shackle and pliers. Attach the schakle of the chain to the anchor shackle , tighten both shackles with pliers and launch.
In scenario 1 i only use few metres of rope and 3 metres of chain in another basket (small ) i store under my seat. So when i reach bay i just take out the small basket under my seat clip to same anchor shackle and launch. In 1 i would like a quick attachment thats why i asked to see the views for the 3 connectors. I understand its not the recommended idea of how to anchor but im just trying to be more practical when at bay.

I think you're over complicating it.
Connect your 3 meters of chain to the 60 meters of rope and only let out the amount you need.
If you can't leave it connected up all the time then use any of the options, oversize it and you'll be fine.
Your boat won't put that much pressure on it.
If it ever did seize you can sort it out when you get home.