Problems with Maintenence advice

What's up Dennis? For a few days now you have been a bit "Aggy" and not your normal self? Is everything cool? Never seen you this argumentative/ negative before? You're usually quite "up-beat":ambivalence:

Re read the OP and then explain to me how it reads as being argumentative, agitated or negative. It’s a reasonable conversation to have - and phrased in a pleasant enough manner - surely? There have been some interesting and useful responses, not least #32, it seems that some folk are able to take questions at face value where others are not, but hey ho. :)
 
Re read the OP and then explain to me how it reads as being argumentative, agitated or negative. It’s a reasonable conversation to have - and phrased in a pleasant enough manner - surely? There have been some interesting and useful responses, not least #32, it seems that some folk are able to take questions at face value where others are not, but hey ho. :)

I agree with you but my reply was based on a few posts over a few days that's all, i found it quite out of character.
 
What's up Dennis? For a few days now you have been a bit "Aggy" and not your normal self? Is everything cool? Never seen you this argumentative/ negative before? You're usually quite "up-beat":ambivalence:

No I am fine just interested in peoples views. I like a good debate especially when there are very different people from different backgrounds involved.

On the mooring fees question............ up until my last purchase I paid a total of £95 per year. It is as I have said many times possible to boat on a budget.

Got the MOT today on the mondeo now that may make me aggy :)

Dennis
 
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Re read the OP and then explain to me how it reads as being argumentative, agitated or negative. It’s a reasonable conversation to have - and phrased in a pleasant enough manner - surely? There have been some interesting and useful responses, not least #32, it seems that some folk are able to take questions at face value where others are not, but hey ho. :)

Yes I agree that post 32 was very good

Dennis
 
I do pay to have my boat serviced as I prefer to go boating not loose days servicing,

BUT I build into my total boating budget a figure for servicing.

This year i planned to have all the coolers ETC removed and checked, They have never been off the engines and checked, Boat is 1999 with approx 650 hours, This was more preventative than I had problems, Engines were running slightly warm but not too bad,

Good job coolers were checked as the oil cooler on 1 engine was about to let go and let sea water mix with oil in engine,
Yes I am faced with another £1000 onto of estimate but if not replaced boat is unusable. Just have to pay. and look on the positive that I have potentially saved a few £K's.

I have to accept that a 19 year old boat is going to have a few unexpected costs every now and then,

BUT when out on the boat the costs seem to fade away and I just enjoy it.
 
The OPs question is perfectly fair and requires a fair and balanced response, which largely have been provided.

I do not consider myself poor, nor rich, just comfortable. I am also lucky that I am able to undertake the majority of tasks on my boats properly (IMHO) and therefore of do not have to rely upon professionals who may be less interested in doing jobs properly. But, and foremost, I do my own boat maintenance because not only I am capable, but also and more importantly because I enjoy doing it.

A common phenomenon on here is that those who do not possess the relevant experience may comment freely as though they do, yet will also the state openly that they do things 'carte blanche' because they should. Indeed changing the Oil and Filters is a typical area of note. Oil must be changed every year even if the boat has done only 20 hours. Yet a typical truck may do many thousands of miles / hours without the same attention to oil and filters, and after all our engines are virtually the same. For me an oil test (OK through available resources) will provide a better answer in the long term to my engines' health, than some dogmatic period based reason to change the oil each Autumn.

The same applies I believe that annual requirements to service life rafts (non coded boats), replace flares prior to current batch expiry, and several other 'critical' stated tasks are a matter for sensible conjecture as to prudent actual service periods.
 
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The personnel wealth of people on this and other forums I think varies from what I would call super rich to those on a very tight budget, This also often corresponds (but not always) with whether people do their own work on their boats or pay it done.

I have paid for servicing in the past but in more recent times have taken to some basic service jobs on a DIY basis.
I have enjoyed the more hands on experience and learned that my boat is in some respects easier to work on than most cars . No point really in paying someone to change oil or replace a filter when it is such an easy thing to do.
I also think it is possible to do an equal or better job than professionals who are confined by time.

Having said that I will not shy away from employing professional help when required.

I don't regard £500 as a few quid but i will very soon have spent double that on the boat since Christmas - and the boat has been nowhere yet this year. The boat will be used so the expense will be worth every penny !

By the way - one boat should be sufficient - in the same way one wife should be sufficient.
 
As others have said above all advice on here needs to be filtered by the reader. The writer is speaking from his/her point of view, which is fine, but the reader sometimes needs to adapt the message. When Vas says "You can buy that boat and do it up," remember it's Vas talking :encouragement: All normal for a forum, or a pub.

Anyway, I got a price today from Finnings phone-a-part hotline for a Cat c32 raw water impeller. £870 inc VAT. That's each, so £1,750 the pair! They're only about the size of a large marmite jar. If I were allowed to say "FFS", I would. So even if you start off with a few bob and buy a boat accordingly, you'll generally end up skint. :encouragement::encouragement::ambivalence:
 
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The issue is that when asking advice about maintenance and its frequency I feel that some of the answers from those who are very well of are not that helpful to those who are rather more poor.
One can only guess or speculate how well off people are who give the advice so it makes things difficult.
I fully agree that the assessment of an internet suggestion can be tricky, whenever the person giving such suggestion is to you no more than a username.
And this is true of just about anything you can find on the net, not just in a boating forum.

But I don't think it's logical to understand how well off someone making a suggestion is first, and then consider it only if it comes from someone whose net worth is comparable to yours (if as I understand this is in practice what you are suggesting), for two orders of reasons:

Firstly, in the case of a boat, it's not unusual that two vessels whose prices are leagues away actually have a comparable relative value for their respective owners.
I mean, of course for someone who can afford to buy and maintain an 80 footer, the relative value of 100 quids is much lower than for folks who can only afford a 20 footer.
But if these guys are both passionate about boating (as is often the case among forum contributors, and as opposed to say a movie star who buys a boat just as another of many toys), chances are that both of them bought something of similar relative value, no matter how large the difference in absolute value is.
And obviously, how much each of us care about our properties mostly depends on their relative, rather than absolute value.
I understand it can be counter-intuitive to think that a boat worth millions can - in this respect - be comparable to one worth thousands, but that's exactly what relative value is all about.

Secondly, whenever I'm unsure about the source of any suggestion, I try to understand how logic/clever/properly motivated it is, first and foremost.
How well off is likely to be the person behind such suggestion is the last of my concerns.
Here, it's not a matter of relativity anymore: I'd rather pay attention to a clever suggestion, even if I can't put in practice because it doesn't fit in my budget, than to one which I could afford but is completely silly...
But that's stating the obvious, sort of.

Bottom line, since eventually you ask if anyone else is sharing your concern, well, I for one don't.
I came to this forum (and I stayed for longer than any others, either boat-related or not) because it's a place where I learnt something useful about boating, but the thought of "calibrating" the suggestions based on how well off is the person who is posting it never crossed my mind in all these years.
And no, just in case you are wondering, I'm not an UHNWI who can approach boating with a money no object approach - far from that.
In fact, I did NOT put in practice many valid upgrades, modifications, etc. which were discussed here over time, just because TO ME they weren't worth the cost.
But this is an evaluation which you can't expect anyone else to do for you... :)
 
Cat c32 raw water impeller. £870 inc VAT.
This is actually one thing I regret of not having Cat engines anymore.
With MAN/MTU/VP parts are expensive, period.
With Cat, parts are expensive only this side of the Pond - see here, for instance...
Obviously, I don't know for sure if it's meant for the very same version of C32 that you've got, but you get the idea!
 
As others have said above all advice on here needs to be filtered by the reader. The writer is speaking from his/her point of view, which is fine, but the reader sometimes needs to adapt the message. When Vas says "You can buy that boat and do it up," remember it's Vas talking :encouragement: All normal for a forum, or a pub.

Anyway, I got a price today from Finnings phone-a-part hotline for a Cat c32 raw water impeller. £870 inc VAT. That's each, so £1,750 the pair! They're only about the size of a large marmite jar. If I were allowed to say "FFS", I would. So even if you start off with a few bob and buy a boat accordingly, you'll generally end up skint. :encouragement::encouragement::ambivalence:


When I had c18s I got impellers - I think - from Asap for about £200. The c18 from cat at the time were £500 plus.
 
I fully agree that the assessment of an internet suggestion can be tricky, whenever the person giving such suggestion is to you no more than a username.
And this is true of just about anything you can find on the net, not just in a boating forum.

But I don't think it's logical to understand how well off someone making a suggestion is first, and then consider it only if it comes from someone whose net worth is comparable to yours (if as I understand this is in practice what you are suggesting), for two orders of reasons:

Firstly, in the case of a boat, it's not unusual that two vessels whose prices are leagues away actually have a comparable relative value for their respective owners.
I mean, of course for someone who can afford to buy and maintain an 80 footer, the relative value of 100 quids is much lower than for folks who can only afford a 20 footer.
But if these guys are both passionate about boating (as is often the case among forum contributors, and as opposed to say a movie star who buys a boat just as another of many toys), chances are that both of them bought something of similar relative value, no matter how large the difference in absolute value is.
And obviously, how much each of us care about our properties mostly depends on their relative, rather than absolute value.
I understand it can be counter-intuitive to think that a boat worth millions can - in this respect - be comparable to one worth thousands, but that's exactly what relative value is all about.

Secondly, whenever I'm unsure about the source of any suggestion, I try to understand how logic/clever/properly motivated it is, first and foremost.
How well off is likely to be the person behind such suggestion is the last of my concerns.
Here, it's not a matter of relativity anymore: I'd rather pay attention to a clever suggestion, even if I can't put in practice because it doesn't fit in my budget, than to one which I could afford but is completely silly...
But that's stating the obvious, sort of.

Bottom line, since eventually you ask if anyone else is sharing your concern, well, I for one don't.
I came to this forum (and I stayed for longer than any others, either boat-related or not) because it's a place where I learnt something useful about boating, but the thought of "calibrating" the suggestions based on how well off is the person who is posting it never crossed my mind in all these years.
And no, just in case you are wondering, I'm not an UHNWI who can approach boating with a money no object approach - far from that.
In fact, I did NOT put in practice many valid upgrades, modifications, etc. which were discussed here over time, just because TO ME they weren't worth the cost.
But this is an evaluation which you can't expect anyone else to do for you... :)

Very considered response
 
As others have said above all advice on here needs to be filtered by the reader. The writer is speaking from his/her point of view, which is fine, but the reader sometimes needs to adapt the message. When Vas says "You can buy that boat and do it up," remember it's Vas talking :encouragement: All normal for a forum, or a pub.

Anyway, I got a price today from Finnings phone-a-part hotline for a Cat c32 raw water impeller. £870 inc VAT. That's each, so £1,750 the pair! They're only about the size of a large marmite jar. If I were allowed to say "FFS", I would. So even if you start off with a few bob and buy a boat accordingly, you'll generally end up skint. :encouragement::encouragement::ambivalence:


When I had c18s I got impellers - I think - from Asap for about £200. The c18 from cat at the time were £500 plus.
 
The rest of the service pets as a recall are “ok” price wise but there impellers are in a different league !

If you consider 100 hours as good use for a leisure Mobo maybe having a day worker cool the engines with Evian would be more cost effective !
 
As others have said above all advice on here needs to be filtered by the reader. The writer is speaking from his/her point of view, which is fine, but the reader sometimes needs to adapt the message. When Vas says "You can buy that boat and do it up," remember it's Vas talking :encouragement: All normal for a forum, or a pub.

Anyway, I got a price today from Finnings phone-a-part hotline for a Cat c32 raw water impeller. £870 inc VAT. That's each, so £1,750 the pair! They're only about the size of a large marmite jar. If I were allowed to say "FFS", I would. So even if you start off with a few bob and buy a boat accordingly, you'll generally end up skint. :encouragement::encouragement::ambivalence:

Whats wrong with "for facts sake" ??
Surely the meaning of FFS is dependant on context !
 
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