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Thanks Nick_H. I'll try those
Princess V62-S (Build and Project)
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BartW
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welcome to the world of LED lightning
as you have noticed, halogen fittings are not optimised for led lights,
zillions of different led replacement bulbs available, but usually never as good as orriginally designed led light fixtures.
Even some expensive led designed lights are not alway's top quality (recently experienced at home, searching for led lights in a poolhouse)
As you know now, if you have the "warm" led light, it will never look the same as halogen, there is much more to that, like CRI and all that.
best way to understand, a led transmits light at just one wavelength,
A halogen light transmits a band of wavelengths, with a center wavelength in the "warm" white collors
so even when you have a "warm" color led light, this transmits just that single warm white wavelength, and is very different from a halogen light.
My advice is, TRY OUT a few LED lights that seem to have the right specs.
and look at the appearance of human skin.
replacement Led bulbs from philips seem to be OK, as others have confirmed.
at the moment I'm triing 5 different LED lights in the saloon of my boat, and still didn't decide which model I'm going to fit finally.
I have to replace about 120 halogen lights in Blue Angel.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Why are you doing that, Bart? If its about power saving, wouldn't it be cheaper just to train the crew to switch the lights off?at the moment I'm triing 5 different LED lights in the saloon of my boat, and still didn't decide which model I'm going to fit finally.
I have to replace about 120 halogen lights in Blue Angel.
BartW
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wouldn't it be cheaper just to train the crew to switch the lights off?
how come I'didn't think of such a easy solution myself ?
the simplest solutions are the best
henryf
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We too are in the middle of a switch to LED ighhts at home. I think they have finally Coe of age. In the past when I've tried them the resuts were very poor. We also tried compact flourescent lamps with little success (although the larger ones in the office are fantastic).
As has been said find a good trade supplier with a range and find what suits your needs. There is a massive variance in colour when you compare back to back. Dimming is not as good as halogen and this will be an issue on boats which have dimmed lighting. My Princess P50 has it and to be honest I would much rather have simple switched circuits.
The boat is somewhere where LED lighting makes huge sense. Just add up the lighting current draw for batteries with halogen. Flourescent is more efficient but it makes the place look like a cheap caravan.
We are using SMD LED lamps rather than traditional glass lens LEDs. The light output seems superior.
Henry
As has been said find a good trade supplier with a range and find what suits your needs. There is a massive variance in colour when you compare back to back. Dimming is not as good as halogen and this will be an issue on boats which have dimmed lighting. My Princess P50 has it and to be honest I would much rather have simple switched circuits.
The boat is somewhere where LED lighting makes huge sense. Just add up the lighting current draw for batteries with halogen. Flourescent is more efficient but it makes the place look like a cheap caravan.
We are using SMD LED lamps rather than traditional glass lens LEDs. The light output seems superior.
Henry
Hurricane
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The question you have to ask yourself is WHY LED
For me it's the load that the halogen present on the boat's DC systems plus an extra sensible load on the A/C.
So, I've changed all out bathroom and galley fittings to LED. Also some of the bedside and saloon lampshade lamps to LED.
Everything else is still halogen
This means in port, we use the warmer halogen and at anchor we have cut our DC load significantly.
I did install LEDs over the dinette bit they looked harsh so I switched back to halogen.
The LEDs I chose are the ones that plug into existing fittings and I chose the warm effect ones.
I'm now quite happy with this solution and it's kept the cost down
For me it's the load that the halogen present on the boat's DC systems plus an extra sensible load on the A/C.
So, I've changed all out bathroom and galley fittings to LED. Also some of the bedside and saloon lampshade lamps to LED.
Everything else is still halogen
This means in port, we use the warmer halogen and at anchor we have cut our DC load significantly.
I did install LEDs over the dinette bit they looked harsh so I switched back to halogen.
The LEDs I chose are the ones that plug into existing fittings and I chose the warm effect ones.
I'm now quite happy with this solution and it's kept the cost down
intouch1
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so here's my final spec so far:
CAT C18 1150mph engines
13.5 KVA Onan Generator
Crew cabin
Wenge grooved floors
satin oak interior
Platinum leather Sofas in Salon and dinette
Tecnicomar Watermaker
3 x Lumishore 120 CCP with 1 Controller
Bose V35 in Salon, Lifestyle 235 in lower dinette, Lifestyle 235 in master cabin, 2 x Acoustimass 5 in Cockpit and 2x 251 environmental Speakers on the bow.
Additional LED side deck lights
Stainless steel tank to directly feed the icemaker with bottled water
Williams 325 rib
Boat will be painted after completion and will add stainless steel half-moon strips in cleat Areas for paint protection.
Bow stainless chafing plates in anchor area
Teak to side-decks
Passarelle
Aircon throughout including Crew cabin
Raymarine cameras to engine room and transom view connected to e 125chartplotter.
4kw open Radar scanner
KVH M7 Tracvision
Bow and Stern thrusters
Electrically operated sun awning
CAT C18 1150mph engines
13.5 KVA Onan Generator
Crew cabin
Wenge grooved floors
satin oak interior
Platinum leather Sofas in Salon and dinette
Tecnicomar Watermaker
3 x Lumishore 120 CCP with 1 Controller
Bose V35 in Salon, Lifestyle 235 in lower dinette, Lifestyle 235 in master cabin, 2 x Acoustimass 5 in Cockpit and 2x 251 environmental Speakers on the bow.
Additional LED side deck lights
Stainless steel tank to directly feed the icemaker with bottled water
Williams 325 rib
Boat will be painted after completion and will add stainless steel half-moon strips in cleat Areas for paint protection.
Bow stainless chafing plates in anchor area
Teak to side-decks
Passarelle
Aircon throughout including Crew cabin
Raymarine cameras to engine room and transom view connected to e 125chartplotter.
4kw open Radar scanner
KVH M7 Tracvision
Bow and Stern thrusters
Electrically operated sun awning
jfm
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Veeeery nice spec indeed. Nice engines. The satin oak and wenge floors look fantastic - I have plenty of pictures of that combo if you want.
A couple of things:
1. I do not know Tecnicomar but would check (i) whether they have service back up where you're going and (ii) can the thing be soft started without having to go into the engine room
2. 4 lumishore lights might look better than 3 on a boat this big?
3. I don't know the full spec and loads but are you sure 13.5kva is enough? That's 50 amps or less if the thing is drawing in warm air, and you have airco, water maker, music and cooking to feed. The 17.5kva model is likely the same size/footprint. I may be worng though if you have done the calcs - I'm only guessing
4. Are you ok on range, such that there is no need to have an extra tank fitted somewhere in the e/room? Only a £10k job here in UK, but only needed if you need it of course
5. Variable speed controller to bowthruster?
Good luck with the project and please post pics of the build etc if you can
A couple of things:
1. I do not know Tecnicomar but would check (i) whether they have service back up where you're going and (ii) can the thing be soft started without having to go into the engine room
2. 4 lumishore lights might look better than 3 on a boat this big?
3. I don't know the full spec and loads but are you sure 13.5kva is enough? That's 50 amps or less if the thing is drawing in warm air, and you have airco, water maker, music and cooking to feed. The 17.5kva model is likely the same size/footprint. I may be worng though if you have done the calcs - I'm only guessing
4. Are you ok on range, such that there is no need to have an extra tank fitted somewhere in the e/room? Only a £10k job here in UK, but only needed if you need it of course
5. Variable speed controller to bowthruster?
Good luck with the project and please post pics of the build etc if you can
Hurricane
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Why not an additional camera over the bow to see when the anchor is recovered?
Might be even more useful on a V62 than a FB boat.
We never got round to a camera on the bow.
Most of the time, SWMBO does the anchor recover whilst I drive.
Very difficult to recover the anchor when I'm single handed because the chain needs to be straight before the winch can operate.
Might be different on a V series boat though.
Might be even more useful on a V62 than a FB boat.
We never got round to a camera on the bow.
Most of the time, SWMBO does the anchor recover whilst I drive.
Very difficult to recover the anchor when I'm single handed because the chain needs to be straight before the winch can operate.
Might be different on a V series boat though.
intouch1
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- yup, we have a tecnicomar dealer here in egypt who i happen to know quite well. so that is a good Option.
-the boat has a beam of 4.99 so i guess 3 lumis would to a good Job compared with the effect i am having with 2 lumis on my 4.50 V56
- 13.5 is actually already the larger Option that PYI offers. Standard is 9 kva
- no Need for a larger tank i guess as the range is ok for our type and Areas of cruising
- surely variable thrusters. have them on my V56 as well.
will surely post pics and info throughout the process.....
intouch1
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not a bad idea....but i have a captain and deckhand so usually the anchor is raised from bow remote control
jfm
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Good stuff - you have a very nice spec! Looking forward to pics. What stage is the build at? Is she being built over this winter for delivery next spring? Would be great to get some shots of the build in the factory, if possible. Good luck with the whole project
PS, got your PM, I will try to post the wenge/oak pictures later on. They're on my home PC
intouch1
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i think she should go into production sometime in january. i am looking at receiving her in Turkey around May/June....
have you had any personal experience with a V62/62-S ?
I have never been on one nor seen one. ordered it solely based on my experience with my V56.
jfm
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Sounds good. Hope you can get some inbuild pics then. If you search on here a few years ago there are pics from inside the Prin factory of Hurricane's 67er being built.
No, I dont have personal experience. There are V series owners on here but no V62 afaik. But it'll be good and styling/lookswise the V series are pretty much unbeatable. I bought my first Sq58 and 78 without any test drive. Though, I had seen one! Hopefully you can see a shiny one at LIBS in january
As req in your pm here are pics of the wenge floor/oak furniture interface. Sorry to other viewers that these are boring and repetitive - look away! They are answering a request by intouch. On this boat I had satin wenge floor, satin oak cabinets, gloss wenge kitchen cabinets, wenge down the staircase edges. Wenge or very dark floor is right on trend at the moment in uber spec housing, so you've made a good choice imho. I'm repeating wenge floor in new boat, but having it in saloon too, with big shag-piley rug. Gloss wenge kitchen cabinets, and satin walnut elsewhere but with lots of wenge panels. I'm going for a dark look deliberately, with cold white ceilings. Both looks are fab imho, I mean either the dark cabinets or the satin oak. If I were doing satin oak again I'd go for cold white ceilings though, not buttery beige. But each to their own on all that!
No, I dont have personal experience. There are V series owners on here but no V62 afaik. But it'll be good and styling/lookswise the V series are pretty much unbeatable. I bought my first Sq58 and 78 without any test drive. Though, I had seen one! Hopefully you can see a shiny one at LIBS in january
As req in your pm here are pics of the wenge floor/oak furniture interface. Sorry to other viewers that these are boring and repetitive - look away! They are answering a request by intouch. On this boat I had satin wenge floor, satin oak cabinets, gloss wenge kitchen cabinets, wenge down the staircase edges. Wenge or very dark floor is right on trend at the moment in uber spec housing, so you've made a good choice imho. I'm repeating wenge floor in new boat, but having it in saloon too, with big shag-piley rug. Gloss wenge kitchen cabinets, and satin walnut elsewhere but with lots of wenge panels. I'm going for a dark look deliberately, with cold white ceilings. Both looks are fab imho, I mean either the dark cabinets or the satin oak. If I were doing satin oak again I'd go for cold white ceilings though, not buttery beige. But each to their own on all that!
intouch1
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thank you for posting the pics.
the contrast between the dark floor and light interior really makes it swing....
the contrast between the dark floor and light interior really makes it swing....
intouch1
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here are some pics of the V72 as an indication:
jfm
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Thanks. Nice pics - v72 is a very nice machine. Terrible boring rug though; no style at all, dull as ditchwater
intouch1
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yup a cool missoni rug would make it come alive.
PYI obviously work with fendi on the larger models. too dull imo....
PYI obviously work with fendi on the larger models. too dull imo....
jfm
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Fendi have some nice stuff esp fabrics but that sodding "F" logo on everything drives me nuts!
Hurricane
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I would be more interested in how to make the boat "homely" (if there's such a word).
All these manufacturers photos show boats after they have just left the factory and so have a very clinical feel - IMO
Our Princess was just the same when we visited her on the water for the first time - very open and cold. Now that we've had her for a few years, she has that warm "lived in" feel. SWMBOs books and ornaments etc.
My point is that you need to think how you will use the spaces.
You are upgrading so, I'm sure you have thought this through.
All these manufacturers photos show boats after they have just left the factory and so have a very clinical feel - IMO
Our Princess was just the same when we visited her on the water for the first time - very open and cold. Now that we've had her for a few years, she has that warm "lived in" feel. SWMBOs books and ornaments etc.
My point is that you need to think how you will use the spaces.
You are upgrading so, I'm sure you have thought this through.