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Does anyone have any personal experience with the Princess P62?
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Mat
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Mat
Princess P62
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MapisM
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Yes
AIDY
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Re: Yes
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Hurricane
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Saw them being built last week.
DAKA
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I ve spent a little time on one.
Gorgeous boat.
Fantastic engine room
Humongous amount of space as no internal steps to the flybridge.
Friend got caught out in a 7 mid channel and said it was comfortable.
Gorgeous boat.
Fantastic engine room
Humongous amount of space as no internal steps to the flybridge.
Friend got caught out in a 7 mid channel and said it was comfortable.
Nick_H
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Looked round one last year, the big selling point is obviously the 4 cabins, great if you've got lots of kids or want to charter it, but does mean the heads are quite compact.
PowerYachtBlog
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I think the 4 cabin option does make it attractive as a charter boat, as it is very rare in this size
Hurricane
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Humongous amount of space as no internal steps to the flybridge.
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Thats one of the reasons we went for the bigger Princess 67 - actually like the internal steps. Also much more space with only 3 cabins.
Still, the 62 looks a great boat.
I dont know how many know this but over the last few years Princess have been gradually changing their building methods. All the new designed boats are built on a "production line basis". The actual final building process (assembly of all the parts) is carried out in stages. At each stage a dedicated team builds each boat to exactly the same standard thus leading to a more consistant finished product. It's very impressive to see. An example (I think I'm correct here) The old Princess 61 would have been built the old way - each boat being gradually completed whereas the 62 as its replacement is built in 5 stages - at each stage a dedicated team builds that specific part of the boat. In the case of the 67, about every 2 weeks the line moves along a slot and the next team build to the next stage. In the case of the 42, I believe its every week a new rolls out of the end of the shed building 42s.
Its very impressive this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
The 62 is one of these new production boats.
Here are some pics of 67s
Humongous amount of space as no internal steps to the flybridge.
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Thats one of the reasons we went for the bigger Princess 67 - actually like the internal steps. Also much more space with only 3 cabins.
Still, the 62 looks a great boat.
I dont know how many know this but over the last few years Princess have been gradually changing their building methods. All the new designed boats are built on a "production line basis". The actual final building process (assembly of all the parts) is carried out in stages. At each stage a dedicated team builds each boat to exactly the same standard thus leading to a more consistant finished product. It's very impressive to see. An example (I think I'm correct here) The old Princess 61 would have been built the old way - each boat being gradually completed whereas the 62 as its replacement is built in 5 stages - at each stage a dedicated team builds that specific part of the boat. In the case of the 67, about every 2 weeks the line moves along a slot and the next team build to the next stage. In the case of the 42, I believe its every week a new rolls out of the end of the shed building 42s.
Its very impressive this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
The 62 is one of these new production boats.
Here are some pics of 67s
PowerYachtBlog
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I think most of all it saves costs to the company....
Gobbi where the first to use a similar production system on boats in the early nineties the reason why Azimut had interest in the company apparently, as they wanted to copy it in the Azimut factory in Torino
still why company saves costs the price of new boats and models keeps on going up exagerated in my point of view
Gobbi where the first to use a similar production system on boats in the early nineties the reason why Azimut had interest in the company apparently, as they wanted to copy it in the Azimut factory in Torino
still why company saves costs the price of new boats and models keeps on going up exagerated in my point of view
Nick_H
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The major UK boat builders are snapping up ex-auto industry employees, from senior execs right through to hands on team leaders, to try and standardise production more.
MapisM
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this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
[/ QUOTE ]Why better?
Henry Ford never aimed at building better cars than Rolls Royce, he just wanted to build them in bigger numbers, and make them cheaper - and he succeeded, in fact.
this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
[/ QUOTE ]Why better?
Henry Ford never aimed at building better cars than Rolls Royce, he just wanted to build them in bigger numbers, and make them cheaper - and he succeeded, in fact.
Nick_H
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Well without wanting to get into discussions on manufacturing theory, its fairly well acknowledged that standardisation = less variation = better quality (if quality is correctly defined as fitness for purpose, rather than being confused with perceived luxury)
PowerYachtBlog
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this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
[/ QUOTE ]Why better?
Henry Ford never aimed to build better cars than Rolls Royce, he just wanted to build them in bigger numbers, and make them cheaper - and he succeeded, in fact.
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I agree 100% but the problem that prices on boats are still going up as hell, now some companies say its the oil and others say they improved there products to match the Italians, the usual reply from most UK builders is the last
it is also true that standarisation may improve a final product, but come on spending 1 million EURO to a boat with a standard format with very little customization is IMO too much
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this system MUST produce a better build of boat.
[/ QUOTE ]Why better?
Henry Ford never aimed to build better cars than Rolls Royce, he just wanted to build them in bigger numbers, and make them cheaper - and he succeeded, in fact.
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I agree 100% but the problem that prices on boats are still going up as hell, now some companies say its the oil and others say they improved there products to match the Italians, the usual reply from most UK builders is the last
it is also true that standarisation may improve a final product, but come on spending 1 million EURO to a boat with a standard format with very little customization is IMO too much
MapisM
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come on spending 1 million EURO to a boat with a standard format with very little customization is IMO too much
[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely.
But do you mean that for a fully customized boat, totally handcrafted from the keel up, 1M€ would be ok?
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come on spending 1 million EURO to a boat with a standard format with very little customization is IMO too much
[/ QUOTE ]Absolutely.
But do you mean that for a fully customized boat, totally handcrafted from the keel up, 1M€ would be ok?
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Nautical
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Very true, people wondered why they would want Gobbi until they saw how they were building boats very much on Car production methods, now of course many of the orginators of that system are now with Absolute including Sergio Maggi part owner of Absolute who first introduced the ISS processes to boat building so much copied by many other builders now including er, better not mention /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Intergrated Structural Systems in case you wondered /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
It is most definitely the way boat building must go to keep up with technology and new production methods, the ones that don't will become uncompeditive and outdated.
The biggest upside is the quality of the end product, those that have introduced such systems have seen warranty and post production issues halved and build times slashed by up to a third, an interesting comparison between a modern ISS system yard and a traditional build is that a mid 40 footer can come out the door in around a third less production time than traditional build yard and to a higher standard and greater tolerances not to mention significantly cheaper too. So the yard makes more boats per sq ft of production space for less labour to a higher standard and the customer gets the benefit of the lower costs in the ticket price.
It is most definitely the way boat building must go to keep up with technology and new production methods, the ones that don't will become uncompeditive and outdated.
The biggest upside is the quality of the end product, those that have introduced such systems have seen warranty and post production issues halved and build times slashed by up to a third, an interesting comparison between a modern ISS system yard and a traditional build is that a mid 40 footer can come out the door in around a third less production time than traditional build yard and to a higher standard and greater tolerances not to mention significantly cheaper too. So the yard makes more boats per sq ft of production space for less labour to a higher standard and the customer gets the benefit of the lower costs in the ticket price.
Nautical
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Er, I just read that again and it sounds like a press release, ooops sorry /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif but nevertheless all as a matter of comment.
I wouldn't agree that all builders prices are going up all the time, Jeez I ll have to mention the 'A' word again /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif but heck its true so why not.....the 47 was well under what most people were expecting!
I wouldn't agree that all builders prices are going up all the time, Jeez I ll have to mention the 'A' word again /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif but heck its true so why not.....the 47 was well under what most people were expecting!
Nick_H
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But you only want customisation on the touchy feely bits, the basic structure, powertrain and 80% of the fit out for any particular model will be the same, so it makes sense to standardise the manufacturing process to reduce costs and variability.
Nick_H
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All your posts sound like press releases, why apologise for that one specifically??
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Nautical
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Well can't blame a man for being passionate about what he does /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif so I take a few libertys, can't help myself /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, you wanna see Mrs N bash me on the head when I get all heated...' they cant say that', ' they think what'....it all gets a bit personal when you have so much of your life invested in your dream. I'll admit it, I am an a total anorak /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
MapisM
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I smell some tongue in cheek in your post, but just in case you really meant that, I beg to disagree. Fwiw, I find his views rather objective.
And whenever he does make some marketing, it's always clear where he comes from.
Such transparency alone is worth a medal, these days....
And whenever he does make some marketing, it's always clear where he comes from.
Such transparency alone is worth a medal, these days....