Princess P52 or Fairline Sq 48

Based purely on residuals and brand presence I would go Princess everyday. The recent LIBS stands galvanised my thoughts. It just seems that Fairline lose so much value as you can get a 20-25 % without blinking here in the UK.

Princess will get my money when it's time to trade up. Been burnt already, not again!
 
thats your choice, but iv viewed both brands here in the uk and you always seem to pay more for a princess initially anyway, so fail to see the difference?? or what this has to do with earlier conversation?? all depends on dealer an part exchange etc,,,,do princess even entertain part ex? not in my experience. they will sell your previous boat for you but thats on a brokerage basis!!! ouch!
diligaf said:
Based purely on residuals and brand presence I would go Princess everyday. The recent LIBS stands galvanised my thoughts. It just seems that Fairline lose so much value as you can get a 20-25 % without blinking here in the UK.

Princess will get my money when it's time to trade up. Been burnt already, not again!
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kahns one said:
in just a few words, and this can be checked! Fairlines targa 48 and squadron 48 hulls were both designed around IPS UNITS THEMSELVES utilising the jack shaft as fairlines previous experience with the targa 44 IPS didn't really work for them! leading to the targa having an extended hull line using fixed tabs compensating for the weight position. By moving the engines further forward on jack shafts leaving the drives as far aft as possible and putting the fuel tanks in front of engines the weight is kept as close to the COG as can be, almost being where a shaft driven boats engines are an so better sea keeping, unfortunately princess did not learn from this and built there v48 with engines bolted straight to the IPS units as the Targa 44 was and has now had to undergo extra weight loading!!! hardly a massive weight gain or at all very complex!!!!
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As a previous T44 owner, please can you tell me why it didn't work for them?
You're correct the engines were bolted directly to the IPS units, but the boat trimmed very well and a lot flatter than many other boats I've helmed. If fact the ride and performance was very good and close quarter manoeuvres were...........well as anyone who's used IPS will know, superb!
The only concerns I had and why we've now moved back to shafts was around long term ownership and service costs, nothing to do with the way the boat performed with IPS.
As far as it "working for Fairline"' the T44 always seemed a popular model, I see lots of them on the Solent. The only issue for Fairline was the higher price of the IPS and hard top model, compared to similar competitor models without IPS, which is why they later offered the T44 with sterndrives and in an open version.

Hopefully this is a more credible bit of insight on the way Fairline approached IPS on the T44.

Phil
 
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Smooth Sailing said:
Hi Henry,

Thks for your views. I would agree that the P52 has some girth to her whilst the Sq 48, maybe more of an edgy and "new" design boat but of course with exemplary finishing.

Great that you have met Vrit as well. We were both in schools in the UK at bout the same time and funnily attended the same university. He has been a great help with my v52 and I would agree that he has the right support as well. Peter Mahony the GM at Princess Singapore was from Princess UK if I am not mistaken. My gut feel is telling me to go for the Cat 715 but my wallet is telling me to go for the Volvo 670 !

Let me know if you are ever headed this way.

Cheers
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Apologies as not read the full thread but imho the Volvo 670 will be underpowered for the P52 and you may therefore have a problem in the future in selling this boat on.
 
sorry phil, i wasn't knocking fairline or the T44 in fact I'm quit pro Fairline but as i stated it didn't work for them from a trim point of view on the first models which is why they then had extra trim tabs (fixed) added thereafter, but your are right regarding the cost of IPS and the hardtop, it hasn't been there best seller sadly.
Illusion said:
As a previous T44 owner, please can you tell me why it didn't work for them?
You're correct the engines were bolted directly to the IPS units, but the boat trimmed very well and a lot flatter than many other boats I've helmed. If fact the ride and performance was very good and close quarter manoeuvres were...........well as anyone who's used IPS will know, superb!
The only concerns I had and why we've now moved back to shafts was around long term ownership and service costs, nothing to do with the way the boat performed with IPS.
As far as it "working for Fairline"' the T44 always seemed a popular model, I see lots of them on the Solent. The only issue for Fairline was the higher price of the IPS and hard top model, compared to similar competitor models without IPS, which is why they later offered the T44 with sterndrives and in an open version.

Hopefully this is a more credible bit of insight on the way Fairline approached IPS on the T44.

Phil
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