Princess or Ferretti , what boat would you choose?

[BartW]

There is another PT 67 for sale in Sardegna,
I have asked the broker for the exact location,
I have a digital friend who is there every now and then, perhaps he can go and have a look and make some pictures from that boat, and give his opinion on them.

the only problem is that he still has an analog camera

 

[MapisM]

the only problem is that he still has an analog camera

Oi, I used to, in my early Croatian years.
Now I've got a God-knows-how-many megapixel camera with 40m U/W case!
But I'm afraid that I've just been there...
I might return soon though, depending on various circumstances.
Do not hesitate to ask, anyway.

 

[jfm]

no hairline cracks and the owner has a 300kg Nourvania 3 meter on board.

300kg is a little tender. Even an Avon 320 jetrib is heavier than that. BartW wants to get into 550kg tender territory, and that could need serious reinforcement if you hang it on a transom-mounted passerelle.

 

[BartW]

300kg is a little tender. Even an Avon 320 jetrib is heavier than that. BartW wants to get into 550kg tender territory, and that could need serious reinforcement if you hang it on a transom-mounted passerelle.

350kg is enough John, have found several solutions for that;
SIBs, Alu Ribs, or RIB's such as the one sugested by MapisM
but I agree with you that I woudn't want to place a heavy tender nor crane on the FB of that Ferretti, It simply doesn't fit together,

on the C70 it does fit together, even 2 tenders:

what do you think of the recently discovered PT67, compared to the C70 ?

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Hello BartW

I showed you the pictures with 70 on the left and 70S.
The 70S has these attributes:
- slanting stern with small platform (1ft)
- a bit larger full beam owners cabin
- and different window profile on topsides.
The one above is a 70S.

The Posillipo 65 and 70 Technema are different wider higher topside to the 67 Technema which was a further evolution of the 64.
All these where designed by Zuccon who made a huge name for himself with Posillipo mostly for designing the succesful 52 Technema which sold over fifty unites from 86 till 91. A success for a medium production capacity builder which builds like ten boats per year at the time.

To be honest I like both designs (Canados and Posillipo), and would even be a hard choice for me. What makes the Canados more classier is surely the black topsides, but the slanting stern, bigger bathing platform, two way entrance to the cockpit are surely other good attributes. The 67 Technema was produced from 1994 till 1998. Some of the later versions where offered with MAN 1200hp engines which adds a couple of knots.
A minus versus the Canados 70S is surely that the owners room is not full beam, and one of the fourth cabin is bunk. Altough to be fair the owners room would still feel spacious as you have the small crew cabin on the bow tip, as is for the Canados. But don't take my word for this as all Posillipo are custom and I have always found different interiors even on the smaller models. This custom attitude was further increased when Rizzardi took over in 1991. The 67 Technema was one of his first design at the company under his helm, along the 60 Technema.

 

[BartW]

Are you talking about the grey tint of the interior woodwork?

its the collor of the fabrics and other wall and ceiling coverings, and also the curtains,
these all look grey / beige , as if people have been smoking a lot in there,

I think its just dust and age, and the orriginal collors were already light beige.

but it just catched my attention, and I realised that it would be impossible to make the interior look more "fresh" unless the coverings and furniture would be refurbished / replaced completely.

nevertheless had a good impression about the quality's of these ferretti's,
and yes I am aware that prices of older boads can vary a lot,

but even if the F185 is quite different, they are not on the list anymore, see comments above.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

its the collor of the fabrics and other wall and ceiling coverings, and also the curtains,
these all look grey / beige , as if people have been smoking a lot in there,

I think its just dust and age, and the orriginal collors were already light beige.

but it just catched my attention, and I realised that it would be impossible to make the interior look more "fresh" unless the coverings and furniture would be refurbished / replaced completely.

nevertheless had a good impression about the quality's of these ferretti's,
and yes I am aware that prices of older boads can vary a lot,

but even if the F185 is quite different, they are not on the list anymore, see comments above.

Ok, I know what you mean. FWIW, I have been told that Ferretti offer a refurb service for older boats at their factory in Cattolica just across the Adriatic but it'll cost a fortune. I dont know Canados 70 or the Posilipo 67 but they look like fab boats, especially the Canados. Btw, I still have worked out where you're going to park this enormous ship in south Croatia

 

[Divemaster1]

Bart,

I'd still be tempted to go for a Cantieri de Pisa Pagasus ... about 21M...

I was very impressed with the one I looked at !!

Galley with own entrance door at deck level. Large Entertaining Space and good (and social) helm position. Give you four proper twin / double cabins .. (one with three fixed berths). Full size bathroom furniture and fixings (proper walk in showers). Flybridge with massive space radar arch not infringing on space for tender).

Good crew cabin, with access from bow and secondary crew access to main areas for washing machines etc., through store room (underneath master cabin at centre bow).

Loads of other nice features as well.... here's one refurb & with CAT installed... Perhaps not the performance you're looking for .... but what a beauty!!

http://search.boatshop24.co.uk/morepictures.asp?btsrefno=21177123

http://search.boatshop24.co.uk/fullspec.asp?btsrefno=21177123

... then fit a good hydraulic lift platform (have seen one that lift straight up with long reach... that could lift divers and equipment straight up to deck level.... just cannot find it now!!!

http://www.tntlift.com/

http://www.nationwidebowthrusters.com/hydraulicplatforms.html

 

[Divemaster1]

Bingo !!

These guys have a linear drive platform...

http://www.h-btechnics.com/en/start.htm

 

[BartW]

Bingo !!

These guys have a linear drive platform...

http://www.h-btechnics.com/en/start.htm

thats the one we saw in Dusseldorf, its the oem supplier to all the major european yards, ao Fairline SQ78,....

here we also investigated the tender "rail" system

and the linear drive:

and the moving steps

but I have to admid Alf that I rather prefer such a platform on the C70 then the Pegasus

 

[Divemaster1]

....but I have to admid Alf that I rather prefer them on the C70 then the Pegasus

You been onboard one?? If not, don't !! You may just change your mind.... and when economy permits, I have wife's agreement to go for one

 

[BartW]

I promised to post some detail pics from that Ferretti altura 58
more general pics can be seen in the link to the broker in post # 91

This is the boat

Some pics from the saloon, look at the grey beige teint of the wall coverings

The boat has three x 2P cabin, and one 1P cabin, the last one has separate entrance through the galley so it is for the cook, its too small for 2p

This is the famous backdoor that can be hinged upwards
Look also in front of the door is a SS frame/transparent plexi plate stored for the cockpit table

The rusted cockpit lights (not originals), and canopy showing green

hydraulic swim ladder (not practical for us)

The tender crane on the platform

Some pix in the e/r

In this space normally is a crew cabin, it has a separate entrance and ladder, but it is less then 1m high !!
they grey case in the middle covers the ram for the hydraulic passerell

Some pics from the ankers,

And finally some pics from the FB

The rear part of the FB, to small for a tender

And the dirty bow cussion

as I say'd before,
after 20y, still a nice boat, (after a good cleaning) but not what we are looking for

 

[BartW]

I have wife's agreement to go for one

OK thats good news, we all know that this is usually the biggest challenge

I believe the Pegasus is a wooden boat ? If so, I remember someone who had chosen a GRP boat to avoid headaches with the wooden hull

I think you fell in love with the Pegasus, just like I have fallen in love with the C70.
In fact the recently discovered Posillipo Technema by PYB tiks all boxes we need, but still, the Canados has these stylisch details, such as
- the wooden ends on the deck sides, (= gunwales ?)
- very nice stern section of the hull (despite missing decent steps)
- simple straight and timeless lines of the top section/ side windows/radar arch

- 4 decent double or twin cabins AND a full double crew cabin
- stern section is perfect for a modern platform lift

on the other hand,
she is a little too long and too heavy, and lack's a little extra power for that size,

its going to be a tough choice
any advice is welcome

 

[BartW]

last sunday I had a interesting chat at BBS with Vennekens, the only serious yacht buylder in Belgium.

On their booth was a picture (rendering) of a new desgned 21m boat that got my attention
It was the new model called emocean design
look here,
http://www.jachtwerfvennekens.com/#/new designs


and compare with this,

talking about a timeless design !!!

 

[MapisM]

look here, http://www.jachtwerfvennekens.com/#/new designs

and compare with this,

talking about a timeless design !!!

Blimey Bart, the similarity is indeed amazing.
Makes one wonder if they bought the old Canados moulds...

 

[BartW]

Btw, I still have worked out where you're going to park this enormous ship in south Croatia

not fermly decided yet

the orriginal idea was to put here in SOF Cassis or in that area because:
- easy acces by plane or Thalys (Marseille) or car (1000km motorway from home)
- beautifull area for diving, the best in the med !
- I like Cassis
- nice cruising destinations
probably the mooring space is an issue, will go there in marsh to find out

the other option (on a longer term) is south Dalmatia, Cavtat or Dubrovnic, but then I don't put her in a "regular" marina.
in summer on a Boy in Cavtat Tiha bay, I know some people there to make this work, thats what I do with the Karnic every year, you know we are "away" with the boat most of the time, no need to stay in a marina.
in Winter time, probably in a yard where they keep the fishing / taxi boats.
Dubrovnic ACI is another option

but depending on what boat we choose, we might bring her to Belgium first, to do all the rebuilding here, and then use her here locally for one season, trips to UK, Denmark, Schotland, ...more destinations then time

yes still some decisions to make,
good thing is that I am not in a hurry (?? )I allow myself one year to complete this project.
I won't sell the Karnic, so I won't have to compromise on sailing activity's

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

thats the one we saw in Dusseldorf, its the oem supplier to all the major european yards, ao Fairline SQ78,....


and the moving steps

Ah that looks very similar to the one that Fairline were showing off at the Southampton Boat Show as an example of their own engineering innovation Odd that!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

not fermly decided yet

the orriginal idea was to put here in SOF Cassis or in that area because:
- easy acces by plane or Thalys (Marseille) or car (1000km motorway from home)
- beautifull area for diving, the best in the med !
- I like Cassis
- nice cruising destinations
probably the mooring space is an issue, will go there in marsh to find out

the other option (on a longer term) is south Dalmatia, Cavtat or Dubrovnic, but then I don't put her in a "regular" marina.
in summer on a Boy in Cavtat Tiha bay, I know some people there to make this work, thats what I do with the Karnic every year, you know we are "away" with the boat most of the time, no need to stay in a marina.
in Winter time, probably in a yard where they keep the fishing / taxi boats.
Dubrovnic ACI is another option

but depending on what boat we choose, we might bring her to Belgium first, to do all the rebuilding here, and then use her here locally for one season, trips to UK, Denmark, Schotland, ...more destinations then time

yes still some decisions to make,
good thing is that I am not in a hurry (?? )I allow myself one year to complete this project.
I won't sell the Karnic, so I won't have to compromise on sailing activity's

I'm not sure you'll find it easy to locate a mooring in SoF Riviera for a 70 footer and you may have to buy rather than rent if you do. If you go further west than Marseille there are marinas which are more likely to have space. We stayed here http://www.port-napoleon.com/ for a few months some years ago. The area is not very attractive but the marina is good and probably not so expensive.
Are you sure ACI Dubrovnik would have space as well? We visited in October last year and they were fully booked up and there didn't seem to be many moorings for larger boats. Have you looked at Porto Montenegro http://www.portomontenegro.com/? I'm told its about 50km south of Dubrovnik and it seems to have spaces. Also the diesel fuel costs €0.60/litre if you're leaving Montenegro which is a big cost saving for me and a massive cost saving for you. I'm going to check this marina out in summer

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I promised to post some detail pics from that Ferretti altura 58
more general pics can be seen in the link to the broker in post # 91



as I say'd before,
after 20y, still a nice boat, (after a good cleaning) but not what we are looking for

Yup, it looks like a nice boat for its age but you can do a lot better for the money they're asking. Thats the previous generation of Ferrettis before they started using a lot more gloss cherrywood inside which makes the interior look more luxurious and they also got rid of all the aluminium fittings for s/s

 

[BartW]

I'm not sure you'll find it easy to locate a mooring in SoF Riviera for a 70 footer and you may have to buy rather than rent if you do. If you go further west than Marseille there are marinas which are more likely to have space. We stayed here http://www.port-napoleon.com/ for a few months some years ago. The area is not very attractive but the marina is good and probably not so expensive.

thanks for the tip, yes I'm afraid that a long term berth in Cassis or La Ciotat is impossible, so your sugestion is a good yearly base for the boat, and go to Cassis on a weekly basis. Prices are indeed very good

Are you sure ACI Dubrovnik would have space as well?

I'm not,
ACI Marina Dubrovnic is extremely expensive.
They have moorings for +20m boats, but I'm not sure if they have empty space. I know some people there who could help me to arrange some space.

. Have you looked at Porto Montenegro http://www.portomontenegro.com/? I'm told its about 50km south of Dubrovnik and it seems to have spaces. Also the diesel fuel costs €0.60/litre if you're leaving Montenegro which is a big cost saving for me and a massive cost saving for you. I'm going to check this marina out in summer

It's another country, so you need to clear customs in Herceg Novi and Cavtat each time you go in and out Croatia with the boat.
I've been a few times by boat in Molunat (the most southern village from Croatia), but the trip is boaring, coast with only steep rocks,
I've been ones in Herceg Novi and Kotor bay by boat, very nice area, also more south Budva and Sveti Stefan is very nice, certainly interesting for a seasons cuising,
but I'm more attracted to the south Dalmatia area all the islands between Sibenic and Dubrovnic.

I'm sure that in Montenegro prices are still very low, but I'm afraid you won't like the food nor the wine