Princess 20m unsual Layout ?

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Morning all,

I am currently in the market for a 20m mb and have always taken a liking to the Princess 20's.

I have come across one in Miami that goes under the name of viking/princess 20 VSC.
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/250443/?searchid=&page=

firstly anyone know what the VSC stands for?

this is apparently a 2000 but there are some dramatic changes to the boat that i've not seen before...

like the crew cabin aft, the additional flybridge molding, the aft port hole, the master cabin has its own star well, and the vip is where the crew cabin normally is.

the galley now has a full dining table opposite and bathing platform access is from both port and stb.

If anyone could shed some light on these changes i would be most grateful.
 
The VSC will stand for Viking Sports Cruisers which is how Princess motor yachts were / are marketed in the US. There are also non Princess American fishing style boats marketed as Viking Yachts.

By the look of things it's a customised design possibly built as a one off. Looking at the VSC boats for sale quite a few seem to have custom features such as huge built in Keyboards for a spot of impromptu sing along.

Hope that sheds some light on things, possibly a call to Viking in the the morning?

Henry :)
 
Hurricane said:
Is this the boat?

http://www.princess.co.uk/heritage-docs/Princess-20-Metre-(20M).pdf

It's in the Princess Heritage section of www.princess.co.uk
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*EDIT on the Princess heritage site is actually the princess 22m! It looks like i've been getting really confused with the sizes! always a simple answer :)
http://www.princess.co.uk/heritage-docs/Princess-22-Metre-(22M).pdf

Hi yup that is what i can only assume is the 'Europe version', and was the only version i'd seen prior to posting about this us listing. Apparently it was given a redesigned interior layout for the US market when the princess viking partnership started.

as you can see from the layouts and the profiles there are some heavy modifications, in my mind great improvements, from the Euro 'princess heritage' version.

When i first heard of Viking i thought that they had bought the old molds for the princess20 and were refitting them to US standards never got a confirmation on that though. now i understand that they are princess authorized dealer/broker/introducer in the US...

I've not looked at either the p65 or p67, but i will now.

:)
 
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ok so i've fallen into the trap i'm sure many of you have thought about, been looking at a boat then been seduced by its larger sister!

looking at the specs on both the princess 20m and the princess 22m there is actually only 1foot in LOA and another in Beam, this is what i'm blaming on my ignorance, the boats being so close in actual length.

mystery solved !

many thanks to hurricane for pointing me back to the heritage website

if anyone is interested i've just found a review about the princess 22 from an Aussie website,
http://www.boatpoint.com.au/reviews/2000/motoryacht/princess/princess-22-9049
 
Dont forget.
Even though the difference in these boats is only a few feet in length, the beam also changes and the extra volume is significant.

It would be interesting to hear the kind of features you are looking for.

For me, boats of this size should have the following:-

1. If you intend staying any time on board, a good sized mid cabin master suite.
2. We all talk about it on this forum but if you are a serious cruiser, an internal staircase to the flybridge becomes a necessity rather than a luxury. It also helps to at any time to integrate the flybridge into the rest of the boat.
3. Personally, I like to get the dinghy out of the way for most of the time so a crane and space on the flybridge is good. We have chocks on the bathing platform so it the dinghy can go on top or on the bathing platform.
4. SWMBO doesn’t like the galley on the lower deck. Our previous boat was a Sealine T51 with the galley and dinette on the main deck. Our current Princess 67 “scales up” this concept. Much the most sociable way of doing things.
5. Crews cabin – we don’t have crew so, apart from when we have a really full boat, the crews quarters just becomes a storage space. For example all the external cushions go in it whilst we are away from the boat – thus keeping them in good condition.
6. Depending on where you cruise, you might want to be outside in good weather so the size and layout of the flybridge can be important. Our 67’s one is really big for its size – easily seating 6 people round the table – sometimes even 8 round it.

Maybe some “food for thought”.

It would be good to hear what your requirements are – maybe we (inc others on this forum) can help with explanations of how we use ours.
 
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hi Hurricane,

thanks for your input, what i'm looking for in a boat? well that's a question and a half.

1, something that keeps the water out.
2, a great hull design, that's sea worthy. (Not planning to cross the Atlantic)
3, full beam master cabin.
4, 'economical' engine config. space in engine room, ease of maintenance + costs Etc
5, dedicated office space (really important)
6, boat size, everything i've looked at below 70ft seems to be a little too cozy. and i dont want to get a smaller boat only to find that in a year or two i have to upgrade because of a new baby. I figure why not start at the top ;)
7, must be self sufficient

from what i can find on the web the princess 22m ticks all of these boxes and more. I'm sure that there are a dozen boats that will do this and more. for living aboard the newer boats interiors styling seem to me to be sterile or 'square' the older boats seem to have more of a warmth about them, more of a softness factor. and i'm not convinced that the external styling of the 2009+ boats are going to look as good as the 22m does 12years on.

i'm not looking for a trawler or a displacement hull. at the same time i want something well built and well maintained.

My budget is very much swmbo dependent but she has signed of on $1kk and we are aiming to have a cash kitty for the first year of 150k, for everything after the purchase. I figure 50 for mooring 50 for fuel and maintenance and 50 for everything else (not including qualifications). But i'll be working full time from the boat so the budget can get stretched a little.

also the current plan is to redo all of my tickets in somewhere like gib, that way both of us can get own boat tuition, learn how to fix stuff, engine maintenance electrical systems etc. (and knock the insurance premiums down a notch) put the kid into school somewhere close and not venture very far in the first 6 months.

thank you so much for your feed back :)

psy
 
Well I'm certainly a fan of the Princess / Viking brand and am collecting my second boat off them this weekend, so I put my money where my mouth is!

I think the more traditional styling particularly inside pays dividends as the boats get older, the wont look dated. A bit like Cartier jewelery, it stands the test of time very well.

Good luck on your hunt.

Henry :)
 
Regarding the first photo in the first post, those two boats are not the same model. The top one is a 20m and the lower one is a 22m. Lots of detailed differences but main one is side deck overhangs on 22m

Depending on budget/preferences, you might want to look at boats (whether Princess/Viking or another brand) that have big windows in the central owner's cabin, typically models from about 2001 onwards

Also remeber if buying from US the electricas and appliances will be 110v 60Hz and you'll have to deal with that in Europe. You'll need to buy some reasonably expensive hardware

Good luck with the search
 
jfm said:
Depending on budget/preferences, you might want to look at boats (whether Princess/Viking or another brand) that have big windows in the central owner's cabin, typically models from about 2001 onwards
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Agree, you can never get enough natural light inside with the older models with standard porthole openings, even with the toilet and the bathroom doors both open as well.
 
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