Price vs Value of used Moody yachts

[Ravi]

Please allow me to make an observation as a non-British sailor.
It seems to me that Britons tend to think that older is better in many things in life. Be it sailing yachts, cars, or houses. The love for the old things and restaurations seems to be omnipresent. "Let's get out of the EU, we did very nicely when the Empire was still around" ��
Perhaps this is why the yachts of yesteryear have such a devout following in Britain? I can't see much of that in Holland.

I think you have have a point but not all us Britsvare the same. The English are certainly conservative but the Scots are socialist and very much in favour of staying in the EU!

But I think you have a point about boats because we do love our Sadlers, Moody and Weterly boats. This could be more than hankering for the days of empire, though. Much of British sailing is done in foul conditions and (the cheaper) modern boats tend to be designed for Med conditions. A big cockpit and sugarscoop are no use when you spend your time huddled below to get out of the rain.
Also, many of these old boats are bilge Keeler's and there are many UK coasts stretches where shelter is very limited for a boat that can't dry out.
Arguably, these boats are more suited to the rougher British seastate. Some would dispute that.
These old boats are undeniably less comfortable than modern designs so maybe that it a factor. Us Brits lare never happier than when we are huddledroom?a tent or picnicking on the beach in the pouring rain. Why do you think Homo Britannicus prefers a small cold shed to his living room ??

 

[savageseadog]

Please allow me to make an observation as a non-British sailor.
It seems to me that Britons tend to think that older is better in many things in life. Be it sailing yachts, cars, or houses. The love for the old things and restaurations seems to be omnipresent. "Let's get out of the EU, we did very nicely when the Empire was still around" ��
Perhaps this is why the yachts of yesteryear have such a devout following in Britain? I can't see much of that in Holland.

The love of older British boats originates from the very favourable (biased?) reviews published by the British boat magazines who also carried advertising for those boatbuilders.

 

[Ravi]

The love of older British boats originates from the very favourable (biased?) reviews published by the British boat magazines who also carried advertising for those boatbuilders.

I've not seen many Westerly adverts, recently! Or Moody or SaDler!
Surely, British magazines would plug the biggest boat companies which are still in business! Not many are British!

 

[Tranona]

I've not seen many Westerly adverts, recently! Or Moody or SaDler!
Surely, British magazines would plug the biggest boat companies which are still in business! Not many are British!

However if you look at the secondhand reviews there is still evidence of a love affair with older British boats, both from the journalists and readers - just as there is on here.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yes I suppose that's behind my original Q. If I hated them I'd not look at them... but they're appealing, despite what seems to be a lot of money for an old and potentially tired and troublesome product.

 

[GrahamM376]

Why do you think Homo Britannicus prefers a small cold shed to his living room ��?

To escape from 'er indoors after months on end in 38' x 12' boat

 

[sailaboutvic]

I had own Moody's for over 25 years , 30 , 336, and the 36cc I am now a Dufour owner , the 336 was one of the best sailing boat I had and after 13 years of owner her I got the same I pay when I sold her .
The 30 and the 36cc needed some wind to get them going but once they moved , they moved .
Sail them in any seas and you won't blink an eye .
Altho I am very please with the Dufour , she sails well and we been in a more then a few blow with out any worries ,
I would go back to Moody to morrow the only really problem would be , I be wanted the 45 classics and there not cheap . I would have to take a bit hit selling the Dufour which after the money we put into her making her ours , it don't make any sense .
Do agree with some here when they say , they some old Moody's that now need money spend on them and they are price very high , but there also some very good ones about too .

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Well I have to scratch the itch a bit, we're going to look at what looks to be a very good Moody 46 this weekend. Has been meticulously maintained by its owner over the last dozen years, but I suppose the concerns over a boat approaching its 20th birthday (of any make or type) will still be there. It's a lot of boat at the top of my budget though, so maybe not a happy compromise. On paper or rather screen, it is very tempting. We'll see.

Hopefully will help answer some questions though. Not the least of which for my lovely wife would be, "...is this big enough... ?" or "where do I keep the cushions?" I'm thinking the answer to that first one is yes, deffo, if not a bit too big....

 

[Just_sayin']

Never heard of one with osmosis.

The other two had serious pox issues..........................

Mine had osmosis when I bought her and the people I used to sort it said they have repaired a few Moody's with the same problem.

At one time or another I've heard every marque declared as osmosis free, and if not the marque a statement like "they had problems with early boats but mines a later one and later ones don't get osmosis".

Although there may be some, osmosis isn't a regular problem with the later boats.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

So it's something to check for! Easy enough I guess (haha) as it's on the hard.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

After a VERY long time looking, researching, flying back to the UK at huge expense to visit numerous different types of boats and posting on here for advice, and have just purchased a near immaculate Moody 376 (and I am SUPER FUSSY!)
We don't know or care about whether it is a better, stronger, heavier, faster or more expensive boat compared to other boats. All we know is we sat down and over a period of time drew up a list of what we needed a boat to have.
We researched heavily all options and decided a 376 provided us with everything we wanted; a sturdy and safe boat for short, medium and possibly long haul journeys, a large aft cabin so we can comfortably share a bed, headroom for my tall husband, a corner galley so I can wedge myself in in rough weather, a decent nav station, traditional saloon seating and a fore cabin with separate heads where we can stuff the teenage child and inevitable girlfriend. The seller dropped a little on the asking price, but it will be worth every penny as we will have exactly the boat we want, with room to make some personal adaptations along the way. We are absolutely delighted with our choice. As everyone hopefully is if they know what they are after and are then prepared to wait for the right one at the right price to come along. On that note we have a beautiful, and immaculate Westerly Griffin for sale now if someone has been waiting for a great MAB!

Your wish list is almost exactly the same as mine. Would you be happy to share the Moody asking price and price you eventually paid (PM if you prefer)?

 

[VO5]

Your wish list is almost exactly the same as mine. Would you be happy to share the Moody asking price and price you eventually paid (PM if you prefer)?

Centre cockpit ?

 

[davethedog]

Yep, centre cockpit!

 

[Daydream believer]

Two of the boats proved to have split hulls which according to the yard occurred during transport to or from the launching bay. I kid you not. They blamed the lack of bulkheads in areas known to be chocked up. Should the designer take haul out position into consideration. Yes, in my and the boatyards opinion, if the hulls are so flimsy then reinforcement should be designed into the area where chocks are to be placed.

In our yard they just put the chocks on my boat where the bulkheads are situated. But that is because they know how to do the job properly I suspect

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Well I have to scratch the itch a bit, we're going to look at what looks to be a very good Moody 46 this weekend .... I suppose the concerns over a boat approaching its 20th birthday (of any make or type) will still be there. It's a lot of boat at the top of my budget though, so maybe not a happy compromise....

Well, unsurprisingly probably, this Moody was a very mixed bag. On the plus side: I really liked the size of the boat, felt completely comfortable. The exterior, the deck (with mini bulwark) and cockpit, quality and robustness of the deck fittings and rig. External finish was excellent (should be, it has just been redone); and most of the layout of the interior (fore and aft cabins, saloon and galley; aft heads in particular). Engine access pretty good. Masses of stowage.

However, the interior joinery and upholstery, finishings and furniture was very tired, more than cosmetic (so probably a decent contributor to the MAB pantheon). If we bought that one we'd want a new interior made (££££) as well as new upholstery (££), mattresses (£) and soft furnishings (£). Electronics mostly date from when boat was new, so that's another expensive job (£££).

But a very useful day.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Well, unsurprisingly probably, this Moody was a very mixed bag. On the plus side: I really liked the size of the boat, felt completely comfortable. The exterior, the deck (with mini bulwark) and cockpit, quality and robustness of the deck fittings and rig. External finish was excellent (should be, it has just been redone); and most of the layout of the interior (fore and aft cabins, saloon and galley; aft heads in particular). Engine access pretty good. Masses of stowage.

However, the interior joinery and upholstery, finishings and furniture was very tired, more than cosmetic (so probably a decent contributor to the MAB pantheon). If we bought that one we'd want a new interior made (££££) as well as new upholstery (££), mattresses (£) and soft furnishings (£). Electronics mostly date from when boat was new, so that's another expensive job (£££).

But a very useful day.

So was she the boat for you ?

 

[Sticky Fingers]

I don't think so, no. Too much to do.

 

[BurnitBlue]

In our yard they just put the chocks on my boat where the bulkheads are situated. But that is because they know how to do the job properly I suspect

The post you partly quoted from about split hulls was about Bavaria 38 foot things, not Moody yachts.

Thought I should mention this in case someone thought that the split hulls were Moody.

Regarding whether the boat yard workers know their job is a red herring and may apply to those yards that use individual sticks to prop a boat up and a small number of boats to attend to. Dry sailing yards (thousand boats in the Ionian) launch and haul six days a week most of the year. How on earth you expect a boat yard worker to know the position of all bulkheads on all boats is not practical considering the enormous variety of size and construction. They have enough to worry about regarding props, outboard shafts, and impellers to spend time searching through a database about the position of the bulkheads. The (Bavaria) hulls that split were propped in cradles These cradles have very limited adjustment and are positioned for security in high winds and a possible earthquake. The boat "trailers" used to launch the boats have their support chocks variable to a degree but again the position is elated to security and balance.

 

[pvb]

There are thousands and thousands of Bavarias lifted and cradled every year with no damage at all. Stories of damage to odd ones invariably point to boatyard errors.

 

[Daydream believer]

Regarding whether the boat yard workers know their job is a red herring and may apply to those yards that use individual sticks to prop a boat up and a small number of boats to attend to. Dry sailing yards (thousand boats in the Ionian) launch and haul six days a week most of the year. How on earth you expect a boat yard worker to know the position of all bulkheads on all boats is not practical considering the enormous variety of size and construction. They have enough to worry about regarding props, outboard shafts, and impellers to spend time searching through a database about the position of the bulkheads. The (Bavaria) hulls that split were propped in cradles These cradles have very limited adjustment and are positioned for security in high winds and a possible earthquake. The boat "trailers" used to launch the boats have their support chocks variable to a degree but again the position is elated to security and balance.

So that is OK then