Pregnant crew

He, he, I was basing on Brendan's F10 exploits in the Solent - is it not always like that? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And Brendan, no real problem with the dropping sproggy thing(s) enroute, just that if it happens, or a slip and fall, etc leading to problems, society will not see it that way. Probably not so much of an issue on a motorised ironing boat though, however, could do without the potential bother myself on a yacht.

Your NZ history is a bit on the short side (found a weakness at last!) - we got all the good un's, no convicts sent here (apart from some who completed their stretch in Oz and later emigrated here (they still do :-) ). Find it difficult to disagree with the rest though /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

Regards

John
 
oh, ok, I withdraw the convict bit.

F10 on the motorised ironing board wouldn't cause any problems. Back home 3 seconds after the first twing /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Harumph dept

Everyone has been droning on about the medical stuff but surely there aere other issues?

If you were on a sailing boat with a very very pregant woman what would you talk about? That's right - soon enough you'd be talking about blimmin childbirth, nature's version of a road crash. She'll be sitting there all oink well yes i am very tired but it's blah not too bad, oof, groan, if i just sit here occupying the entire seating area, and yes i went to the hospital last week to see Mr ramchanburian and had a scan which i just happen to have with me..... Urgh.

And after then it's all about kids names drone and if it's a girl we're going to call it emma, or charlotte, to which you can respond but what if it's a boy eh? Spose it'll be other eighteenth century names from literature like Heathcliffe, Ebeneezer or Fezziwig hm? Or praps Mr Darcy?

However, it's much nicer in chichester than portsmouth. In fact, it would do them all a favour if you rounded up lots of pregnant women in Portsmouth, and take them ALL to chichester - a much nicer place to grow up and probably short of youngsters too. If the newborns stay in horrible portsmouth with its godawful factory outlets they'll end up as ghastly chavs where everything is like, yerknow, like. Also, in Chichester, they won't get bullied at school quite so much if their name is Clarissa or Daphne or Pip or Uriah.

So, on balance, yep, i think i wd take her BUT it's a £1 fine for each time anyone talks about babies or childbirth or children's names.
 
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As someone with above average medical knowledge, though never qualified as a doctor admittedly,

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Brendan S -- Midwiffery --- Failed (waters broke over the stern)
 
I've been watching this with interest. Above average medical knowledge has nothing to do with it. (I DID qualify though*)
I'm with Cliff on this. Unless you're on a very big , stable yacht, a degree of agility is required to do almost anything, agility that very few 8-monthers have. Companionway, tacking, heads, all require a certain niftiness. I wouldn't particularly want anyone on board who was restricted in their ability to manoeuvre for any reason. I suppose I'd consider making special arrangements for someone close with permanent restrictions if they were so keen to experience sailing, but with pregnancy, it's all going to be over in a few weeks and everyone can get back to normality.
Nit-picking, I'm sure, but it was stated that the lady in question was to be "crew" not "passenger". Whatever, the fact that the question was posted here surely demonstrates uncertainty about this in the skipper's mind - if that's the case, the answer should be, "Don't take her."
Ran the thread past Mrs. Superstrath, a veteran of three "by-the-beaver" (a technical mid-wife expression, Brendan) births and she said there was no way she would have wanted to go near a small boat at eight months. That's just her though.


Alistair

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Cliff, It's sounds as if its a gentle jaunt out in the solent not a fortnight in the bearing sea. Of course ther are risks but they are calculated risks.

If the weather forecast says it's going to be ok then the chances are the weather will be ok. Not much happens weather wise in the solent that is not known about.

It's all about a lady who is pregnant not about a paper mache' cup full of plutonium!!
 
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Pregnant women are not porcelain dolls. In many cultures they carry on working until the day they deliver, then are back at work a few hours later with the baby on their back.

How much medical knowledge do you have?

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Good point about other cultures - the operative word being "other"

As for my medical credentials, like yourself I would say above average though not qualified.
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As someone with above average medical knowledge, though never qualified as a doctor admittedly, I can't see the problem. Sailing out of a port in South UK, in moderate conditions, there really is no problem.

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While it pains me greatly to admit to it, I am mainly on Cliff's side on this (seeing his being embroiled in an able defence of his views though is of some salve to the pain /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

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Fools seldom disagree, wise men frequently agree to differ. That is what make life interesting /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif but glad to know you are mainly in agreement on this issue - now when can we have the next "bun fight"

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Yee gods ... what a load of old tripe ....

Surely the descision comes down to this:
Is the woman experienced in being on a yacht? If so, then she should be capable of making up her own mind about agility and to a certain extent the conditions.

The skipper does have an overall duty of care, so should explain the possible conditions without judging too much.

The solent can get quite nasty in the wrong conditions, but Portsmouth (entrance) to Chichester is < 2hr passage, and Langstone Hbr is right in the middle, with a little bit of common sense applied it could be a very pleasant trip - exactly what the doctor ordered.

My experience is not with pregnant women - just less adgile crew (less problems in the case of a fall I admit) - and we don't have "issues" about the conditions - I tell them what it is like and they decide if they want to go out of the harbour or not.

It it does go pearshaped, wouldn't it be great to tell the kid that they were born 1/2 mile off the coast?
 
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It it does go pearshaped, wouldn't it be great to tell the kid that they were born 1/2 mile off the coast?

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..... as long as they haven't suffered permenant damage in the process /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Not a risk I would want to take, either with my own family or somebody else's on my boat.
 
thats the idea though - weigh up the risk - 4 weeks to go - not so bad, 2 weeks to go - short trip, due now - cross ya legs!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif - whats the chance of it happening??

I wouldn't put a blanket decision on something as complex as this - if it was one of my friends who wanted to come then it is purely a case of doing a mental risk assessment (as with all trips) and being prepared for the eventualities.
 
The decision comes down to are you such a tosser that you would put your other crew members safety in jeopardy to satisfy the whim of some hormone saturated female who is liable to drop the sprog at any time within the next few weeks? As many have said on here "NO".

This is really becoming monotonous. If you want to take unnecessary risks then go ahead and when something happens you can look back and say "If I only had some common sense and a bit of a spine I could have prevented it". PC'ness and womans lib be damned.
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such a tosser that you would put your other crew members safety in jepordy

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I think the nanny state has well and truly got to you
 
I better not breath - just incase there are toxins in the air ... what a load of b0ll0cks

How can you BLANKET state that if a woman is 8 months pregnant she shouldn't be on a boat .... ??? Its like stating that F8 is too windy to go sailing or if the temperature is below 8 degrees C you shouldn't go out.....
There are more variables here to take into account, and I for one, would take a pregnant woman sailing in the right circumstances (ie not F8 wind over tide and short handed)
 
I don't think Cliff is being serious - nobody would step aboard a boat skippered by anyone as silly as the character he's pretending to be.

He's just very very good at the wind-up, and dammit, I'm responding to it too
 
Cliff, take it easy. You are gettiong a little over excited and name calling doesn't help /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.

Thankfully we are all different and thankfully most are not as cautious as you because if we were I guess we'd still think that if you sailed far enough east or west you'd fall off the end of the earth and the moon would still be made of cheese.

Happy careful sailing and I hope you check every bit of rigging and machinery before you set sail and have a spare of everything, becuase if you don't just think of all the possible dangers you are putting your fellow crew members in. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I posted earlier, but no-one seemed to notice so tied up were they in being gung-ho.
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When I was an ambulanceman I had a patient give birth on the top of a hill in the middle of the night in a blizzard. You feel very alone at these times.

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Popped out like a good 'un, but we had a doctor on the other end of the radio in case we required a bit of help, and an ambulance load of gear.

Whether she is experienced as a crew or not, is she experienced as a birth-giver and is she experienced in the two activites at the same time?

If the trip goes well, you'll all be laughing about it and treating those of us who were cautious as drab pessimists.
If she drops it on board and all is well you'll all become Dr Kildare.
If something should go horribly wrong you will never forget.

Surely you'll be sailing again. Why is this trip so important?
 
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