Pregnant crew

Re: smokers on-board

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You can't spot the parallels then?

[/ QUOTE ]What parallels? Two totally different situations - one is "guaranteed" to be incapacitated anytime within the next 4 weeks and the other "maybe" within the next 40 years.
By your reasoning better not take anyone on your boat at all as they might drop down dead. Everyone dies sooner or later, it is a matter of weighing up the probability and consequences of it happening at any particular time.

Better not let anyone back on your boat if they have had anything to eat within the last 24 hours - might have food poisioning /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Get real - there are acceptable risks and there are unacceptable and needless risks - the former I will happily take - the latter not if there is a realistic alternative
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Re: smokers on-board

Oh the irony!

As it seems to have gone over your head, I should point out that I've nothing against smokers and that there was just a smidgin of sarcasm in my post!

Let's go back to the original post shall we? 8 months pregnant and a passage from Portsmouth to Chichester? Hardly a circumnavigation is it?

I'm afraid that if you regard this as an unacceptable risk (your perogative) then it ought to be YOU that is worried about taking a smoker on board (or indeed anyone with a latent medical condition that could "incapacitate" them at short notice). After all, the guy who has the heart attack MIGHT not have it within the next 40 years...

...or he MIGHT have it in the next 40 minutes!

the onset of childbirth, on the other hand, tends to (for the most part) be a little more gradual and you tend to get a few more warning signs.
 
My wife came out on the boat right up till 2 weeks before the baby was due. If it got a bit bouncy she had to stand up to soften the ride but apart from that she just took things easy.

Common sense prevails.

Anyway this labour lark is just like having a good poo isn't it?
 
Re: smokers on-board

Blimey, we're talking of a 3 hour outing in largely sheltered waters and no more than a mile or so from assistance if required. It's hardly an ocean crossing is it?

If she's not a raving fruitbat and is aware that the motion could be uncomfortable for her I'd take her without worrying unduly - provided the weather was moderate. It's statistically unlikely that she'll sprog during the lonely crossing of hayling bay...

But hey, I let kids go up the mast without too many safety lines so obviously not the one to advise.
 
Re: why is it?

Check out this thread and maybe some of you plonkers will see why 'tis not a good idea for pregnant women to go sailing at such a late stage.
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Re: What are the Airlines rules

I remember my wife being questioned by the cabin crew before we flew to Germany during her first pregnancy. Anyone know what their policies are?
 
If she's happy to come along then why not. We sailed pretty late in my wifes pregnancy - doctors said the real risk with sailing and being outside medical help was in the first 12 weeks -not the last. Our now 5 month old has been sailing since he was 3-4 weeks old.
Chances of giving birth on a lifeboat are pretty remote!. And the real problem is going to be finding some oilys that fit!
Airline policies are not a particularly good guideline, A), because it costs a fortune to divert a plane full of people and
b) they are mainly due to the customs and immigration policies of the destination country, not the airline-think about it - what an easy way to get a UK / US etc passport!
Reading some of these discussions I sometimes wonder how the risk averse UK population ever crawled out of their caves 10,000 years ago! or did all the risk takers emigrate to the US in the 20's? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
I know what you mean! I have this mental picture of Sir Francis Drake going back to Elizabeth Ist after doing his risk assessment to tell her the voyage was off!
 
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I'd have been pretty irritated with all these well-meaning men telling me what was best for me.


[/ QUOTE ]O.K. one more time - The issue is more you putting other crew members in danger due to you dropping the sprog or going into labour and being incapacitated. Some poor sod stuck below decks coz you are stuck in the hatch or companion way or cannot get out of the way fast enough because of your condition. Humph!
Why is it always "I'm OK so sod everyone else. So what if I am a potential hazard to other crew members - that is their problem - just so long as I can be selfish, put their wellbeing in jeopardy and have one more sail before I drop the sprog I am happy - never mind the life boat or SAR crew that may have to come and get me -- that is their problem."

I notice you have had a look at the thread "why is it" over on Scuttlebutt.
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There is taking risks and there is taking unnecessary risks - big difference.
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Good grief Cliff. I'd take someone in that state of pregnancy out. As long as they were happy with the idea, and it wasn't my idea. Pregnant women are not porcelain dolls. In many cultures they carry on working until the day they deliver, then are back at work a few hours later with the baby on their back.

How much medical knowledge do you have?
 
While it pains me greatly to admit to it, I am mainly on Cliff's side on this (seeing his being embroiled in an able defence of his views though is of some salve to the pain /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif).

I would not take an 8 month pregnant woman on my boat under any circumstances unless it was my wife. I just would not want the potential hassle nor the aggro should something go wrong. Seems to me that most of those (maybe all, but haven't counted up) claiming is ok to take the pregnant one is because they took their own wife when pregnant (or they were the pregnant wife).

Great deal of difference between ones own wife with a very close shared responsibility and understanding of one another (hopefully), compared to someones elses wife where that relationship does not exist (well, except if you have been sharing wifes I suppose).

One assumes the woman in question will very shortly have the load off her mind and consequently off the boat skippers mind also - I would invite her to go sailing then. In the end, sorry ladies, the decision is nothing whatsoever to do with the pregnant woman's views - her views do not come into it at all - it is all to do with the skipper's view and whatever one thinks of that, and whether right or wrong, that is what stands. Any argument from a pregnant woman on that would only confirm that taking her was a very bad idea.

{Edit: I agree with Brendan that they are not china dolls. Unfortunately, if there was an unfortunate event, even if nothing to do with the pregnancy, society will not see it that way}.

John
 
As someone with above average medical knowledge, though never qualified as a doctor admittedly, I can't see the problem. Sailing out of a port in South UK, in moderate conditions, there really is no problem. She is unlikely to drop the sprog without prior warning, and you are never that far away from help in any case, and never more than a few hours away from a safe port from where to summon transport or ammbulance to hospital.

NZ is another matter.As a third world country inhabited by incompetent ex-convicts, and dark coloured natives, you are thousands of miles away from any competent help! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Cliff is in the same circumstances, living up there in the black clouded country of Scotland, where they don't have conveniences of internal combustion powered vehicles, or even electrical power.
 
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