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clyst
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
HOORAY!!!! someone with a bit of sense the bloody RCD is the death knell to british boating building industry!! My small wooden yacht would n't be allowed to be built to-day but it has crossed to France/ channel isles on numberous occasions . Its people who sink boats left to its own most yachts will weather most storms the 79 fastnet proved that!! The sooner these bloody pen pushers back off and let boat designers do their job and stop "Molly coddling" people with the type/ design/ limitations of the boat they should have the better for all concern . So there!!!!
Feel better now !!
Terry
HOORAY!!!! someone with a bit of sense the bloody RCD is the death knell to british boating building industry!! My small wooden yacht would n't be allowed to be built to-day but it has crossed to France/ channel isles on numberous occasions . Its people who sink boats left to its own most yachts will weather most storms the 79 fastnet proved that!! The sooner these bloody pen pushers back off and let boat designers do their job and stop "Molly coddling" people with the type/ design/ limitations of the boat they should have the better for all concern . So there!!!!
Feel better now !!
Terry
jimi
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
Well said .. perhaps sometimes its the sailor not the boat! My interpretation of the Biscay episode was that they did'nt really know what they were doing!
Well said .. perhaps sometimes its the sailor not the boat! My interpretation of the Biscay episode was that they did'nt really know what they were doing!
Twister_Ken
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
Personally I think the RCD is utterly splendid and has produced a marvellous crop of varied, exciting and seaworthy boats that bring tears of pride to my eye. Undoubtedly the best thing to have happened to the blue water cruiser is the new stix rating which will let them weather hurricanes with complete confidence, while being sure that the six litres a minute bilge pump is competently installed. Must close now, nurse is coming wiith my medication.
Personally I think the RCD is utterly splendid and has produced a marvellous crop of varied, exciting and seaworthy boats that bring tears of pride to my eye. Undoubtedly the best thing to have happened to the blue water cruiser is the new stix rating which will let them weather hurricanes with complete confidence, while being sure that the six litres a minute bilge pump is competently installed. Must close now, nurse is coming wiith my medication.
Stingo
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
They may or may not have known what they were doing, but who in their right mind leaves in that sort of weather headed for those sort of waters? I've just re-read the report and it was a delivery. Could it be that there was a deadline to get Ocean Madam to Plymouth?
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.stingo.co.uk>http://www.stingo.co.uk</A> - now showing at a computer near you
They may or may not have known what they were doing, but who in their right mind leaves in that sort of weather headed for those sort of waters? I've just re-read the report and it was a delivery. Could it be that there was a deadline to get Ocean Madam to Plymouth?
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.stingo.co.uk>http://www.stingo.co.uk</A> - now showing at a computer near you
Lynette
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
Think I'm suffering from the same delusions. Any room in your bin, Ken? (Specially if you really do have a Twister).
Think I'm suffering from the same delusions. Any room in your bin, Ken? (Specially if you really do have a Twister).
Twister_Ken
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Besmirching my reputation
Course I gotta Twister. See it here (dodgily parked in Cherbourg)
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenjmunn/lst?.dir=/indigo&.view=t>http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenjmunn/lst?.dir=/indigo&.view=t</A>
Course I gotta Twister. See it here (dodgily parked in Cherbourg)
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenjmunn/lst?.dir=/indigo&.view=t>http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenjmunn/lst?.dir=/indigo&.view=t</A>
Stingo
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Re: Besmirching my reputation
Ken
Below is the error I get when I tried to look at your link
The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible.
Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.
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Ken
Below is the error I get when I tried to look at your link
The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible.
Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.
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Jools_of_Top_Cat
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Re: Besmirching my reputation
works fine for me, could be your ISP blocking access to Ken's ISP, not uncommon.
Julian
http://www.ukstaffords.com
works fine for me, could be your ISP blocking access to Ken's ISP, not uncommon.
Julian
http://www.ukstaffords.com
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Re: Besmirching my reputation
Doesn't work for me either.......
Doesn't work for me either.......
summerwind
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
I love it !!!!!!
It isn't just in the world of boating that we are seeing this sort of thing though, is it. It seems to me that no matter what you want to do or use, some bunch of negative thinkers want to rubbish it, apply rules and bang on about safety etc.
Let's face it. If sailing/ boating is too dangerous for you, take up gardening - but be careful to wear British Standard gloves so that if you are savaged by an earthworm you do not contract a serious disease. What's the betting some prat will now come up with a list of diseases that you can catch from an earth worm?
Its true to say that the adventurous may shorten their lives, but the the Pansies don't have one. All Pansies should keep themselves in rolls of cotton wool, sterilised of coure, and let those of us who have a life lead it.
I love it !!!!!!
It isn't just in the world of boating that we are seeing this sort of thing though, is it. It seems to me that no matter what you want to do or use, some bunch of negative thinkers want to rubbish it, apply rules and bang on about safety etc.
Let's face it. If sailing/ boating is too dangerous for you, take up gardening - but be careful to wear British Standard gloves so that if you are savaged by an earthworm you do not contract a serious disease. What's the betting some prat will now come up with a list of diseases that you can catch from an earth worm?
Its true to say that the adventurous may shorten their lives, but the the Pansies don't have one. All Pansies should keep themselves in rolls of cotton wool, sterilised of coure, and let those of us who have a life lead it.
AndrewB
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Me neither.
"The Webshots page you have requested has either moved or no longer exists"
I suspect that pictures held in Webshots albums cannot be pasted on other web pages to make them visible to everyone. True, they may be visible to the owner that way, but the rest of us just get the Red Cross of Doom. Same goes for a number of other web album providers.
"The Webshots page you have requested has either moved or no longer exists"
I suspect that pictures held in Webshots albums cannot be pasted on other web pages to make them visible to everyone. True, they may be visible to the owner that way, but the rest of us just get the Red Cross of Doom. Same goes for a number of other web album providers.
Mirelle
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Works fine for me!
I am an AOL user with Windows 98 on dial up - hardly state of the art - but I get a nice picture of a blue GRP Twister with a blue dodger, blue sailcover and a red ensign, alongside a pontoon.
I have also met Ken, at last year's Boat Show, so I know he is real and not a troll.
I am an AOL user with Windows 98 on dial up - hardly state of the art - but I get a nice picture of a blue GRP Twister with a blue dodger, blue sailcover and a red ensign, alongside a pontoon.
I have also met Ken, at last year's Boat Show, so I know he is real and not a troll.
jimi
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Still pretty ugly though!
Hair's too short to be a troll
Hair's too short to be a troll
Mirelle
N/A
Steady on!
Wanderer 2 and Wanderer 3 would have passed the CE stability test by a country mile - they were, and indeed they are, "lead mines", with all centreline hatches, self draining cockpits, etc. etc. I have no doubt that the Pardey's two boats would pass very comfortably also, as would the Carr's "Curlew". The Hill's "Badger" is also very likely to be fine. Cannot comment on Shane Acton or Tristan Jones not having read their books.
I'm not disagreeing in principle - I have done a few thousand deep sea miles in boats that would certainly have failed - but with respect I think that you weaken your case by exaggeration.
Wanderer 2 and Wanderer 3 would have passed the CE stability test by a country mile - they were, and indeed they are, "lead mines", with all centreline hatches, self draining cockpits, etc. etc. I have no doubt that the Pardey's two boats would pass very comfortably also, as would the Carr's "Curlew". The Hill's "Badger" is also very likely to be fine. Cannot comment on Shane Acton or Tristan Jones not having read their books.
I'm not disagreeing in principle - I have done a few thousand deep sea miles in boats that would certainly have failed - but with respect I think that you weaken your case by exaggeration.
RayB
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
I think the correct form of abuse is Lily Livered!!
If the EC didn't dream up such stuff there would be no point to the EC whatsoever.
And that would be a shame
"Hopefully that won't be too expensive to fix?"
I think the correct form of abuse is Lily Livered!!
If the EC didn't dream up such stuff there would be no point to the EC whatsoever.
And that would be a shame
"Hopefully that won't be too expensive to fix?"
Twister_Ken
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Help please
Can anybody who understands web shots advise me how to make this image universally available, or even do it for me?
It should be easy, but I think Yahoo's help files have been translated from the original Estonian by someone that failed all their English exams.
Can anybody who understands web shots advise me how to make this image universally available, or even do it for me?
It should be easy, but I think Yahoo's help files have been translated from the original Estonian by someone that failed all their English exams.
Jacket
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Re: Liver Lilied Sailors
This is likely to make me unpopular, but I think that the RCD is (largely) a good idea.
There are, and have been, standards in all areas. Cars have been built to them for years. All buildings are built to them. Food is produced to them. They're vital, as we can't be experts in everything, so we need standards so that we know what we are buying is produced to a reasonable standard.
Yes, the RCD seems silly to us, because we all know enough about boats to recognise a badly built one. (Thinking about it, is this true? Stingo obviously didn't recognise the stability issues when he brought his boat. Whioops, that should upset a few more people)
But we're not the only people buying boats. many people are buying their first boat, and so wouldn't recognise an unseaworthy design or poor quality fittings. many other people have sailed for years, but only on one boat, so when moving to a very different type might not recognise its limitations. Others just don't want to have to spend the time looking in detail at the boat and its construction method etc in order to guage its quality.
For these people the RCD is a godsend. They know that their boat is built and equiped to a reasonable standard, and are given some guidance to its suitability for their type of sailing.
For your average production boat the RCD is a good thing, and easy to comply to (unless you're trying to produce cheap, shoddy boats). The problem comes with specialist builders, building specialist boats. For these people, I agree, the RCD is to restrictive. But standards don't have to be like this.
My own speciality is bridge design. The standards for bridge design fill several large book cases, and give guidance for the design of every part of a bridge. However, they have one important addition. At the beginning of each section their is a little comment along the lines of "it is permissible to deviate from these codes with permission from the client". It is this caveat that allows the groundbreaking bridges to be constructed.
So why not have something similar in the RCD? It should be possible to build non-RCD compliant boats, provided that there is a valid reason for deviating from the guidelines, but when they're sold (both new and second hand) the potential customer has to be told that the boat's not RCD compliant, and given details of the areas in which the boat deviates from the codes.
Its something thats done in many areas of industry, but not often for products available to the public (for liability reasons?).
This is likely to make me unpopular, but I think that the RCD is (largely) a good idea.
There are, and have been, standards in all areas. Cars have been built to them for years. All buildings are built to them. Food is produced to them. They're vital, as we can't be experts in everything, so we need standards so that we know what we are buying is produced to a reasonable standard.
Yes, the RCD seems silly to us, because we all know enough about boats to recognise a badly built one. (Thinking about it, is this true? Stingo obviously didn't recognise the stability issues when he brought his boat. Whioops, that should upset a few more people)
But we're not the only people buying boats. many people are buying their first boat, and so wouldn't recognise an unseaworthy design or poor quality fittings. many other people have sailed for years, but only on one boat, so when moving to a very different type might not recognise its limitations. Others just don't want to have to spend the time looking in detail at the boat and its construction method etc in order to guage its quality.
For these people the RCD is a godsend. They know that their boat is built and equiped to a reasonable standard, and are given some guidance to its suitability for their type of sailing.
For your average production boat the RCD is a good thing, and easy to comply to (unless you're trying to produce cheap, shoddy boats). The problem comes with specialist builders, building specialist boats. For these people, I agree, the RCD is to restrictive. But standards don't have to be like this.
My own speciality is bridge design. The standards for bridge design fill several large book cases, and give guidance for the design of every part of a bridge. However, they have one important addition. At the beginning of each section their is a little comment along the lines of "it is permissible to deviate from these codes with permission from the client". It is this caveat that allows the groundbreaking bridges to be constructed.
So why not have something similar in the RCD? It should be possible to build non-RCD compliant boats, provided that there is a valid reason for deviating from the guidelines, but when they're sold (both new and second hand) the potential customer has to be told that the boat's not RCD compliant, and given details of the areas in which the boat deviates from the codes.
Its something thats done in many areas of industry, but not often for products available to the public (for liability reasons?).
Strathglass
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Re: Help please
Your Indigo thing with the sprayhood comes up well on my freeserve ISP Ken.
Can't help with solving your problems for others.
Iain
Your Indigo thing with the sprayhood comes up well on my freeserve ISP Ken.
Can't help with solving your problems for others.
Iain
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