Post Brexit - T2L

Grubble said:
Why wouldn't the UK be treated like any other third country? I.e. 18 months limit in the EU?
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Yea - I'm sure.
But if you wanted to keep the boat in EU waters for more than 18 months, you may need this certificate or have to import the boat.
I might be wrong but it doesn't seem to be very onerous to get a Certified T2L.
 
petem said:
Because we've already paid EU VAT.
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But you haven't paid matriculation tax like the locals have on their boats.

Post-Brexit there may well be import duty on UK boats, which you won't have paid either.

However if you aren't a resident, you can just take your boat off outside the EU then come back to reset the clock - at least that is my understanding.
 
Hurricane said:
Yea - I'm sure.
But if you wanted to keep the boat in EU waters for more than 18 months, you may need this certificate or have to import the boat.
I might be wrong but it doesn't seem to be very onerous to get a Certified T2L.
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I certainly agree it's worth getting a certificate if it's easy - it's value will depend on what the UK finally agrees with the EU - as far as I know only EU residents have any rights protected under the Withdrawal Agreement.
 
petem said:
These ones - https://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-advice/boating-abroad/Pages/t2l.aspx ?

"If you are asked for documentary evidence that your boat has the status of Union goods when entering or cruising within the EU evidence that the VAT has been accounted for (e.g. the VAT invoice showing the amount of VAT that was paid) should be sufficient."

However, as you say, a T2L may become more significant in the future.
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Login to SCMCHAT - thread "T2L Brexit" - I've put some documents up there that might be helpful.
 
Well no one told us this when we cast our vote...………….. I just voted as I did because I could note poke up with Jimmy Cranky giving it the bigun about Scotland.
 
More on this.
This page has been posted on the RYA website.
https://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-advice/current-affairs/Pages/no-deal-Brexit-scenario.aspx
It is the RYA's view of a "No Deal" Brexit.
And I think it makes the situation clearer.

This is how I see it - but I'm no expert.
For privately owned boats, proof that VAT has been paid is required and has always been required.
The T2L does NOT provide this.
A T2L certificate is evidence that the boat it relates to is of EU origin and thus establish it has the status of Union goods.

For the purpose of this thread, there are two scenario.
1 - Boats that are in the EU but not in the UK at the day of Brexit.
From the RYA link above:-
If your boat has the customs status of Union goods (Union status) and is in a port or the internal or territorial waters of the EU27 at the point in time where the UK leaves the EU, our understanding is that it should retain its Union status and should continue to be entitled to free movement.
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So IMO, a T2L would be a good thing to have.

2 - Boats that are in the UK at the day of Brexit.
From the RYA link above:-
If a boat is in the UK (or UK territorial waters) at the point in time where the UK leaves the EU we believe it will assume UK status and will lose its Union status.
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So IMO, a T2L would make no difference - you would be subject to the 18 month rules.

This all assumes a "No Deal" Brexit, of course.
 
I put an electronic C88 form (PDF based) for T2L declaration at this link.

It might be of some help to anyone wishing to complete a form, even if it is just to find out what to write and where. I based it on an original C88, hence the green colour, as RYA said downloaded copies weren't acceptable. I have since heard that this is probably not true and downloaded copies should be fine. Codes for both motor and sail are listed in the PDF.

I completed this form and printed a copy to submit for T2L a couple of days ago and will report if there are any problems.

I had been digging around and found some contradictory evidence about how to complete the form. I finally decided I'd a pretty clear idea of what was needed. I only found out about the RYA pack afterwards and asked them to send me a copy. I then heard that there might be errors in the pack but couldn't find anything significant. I have posted detailed information to give links to website I used as sources in post #24 of this thread
 
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Mistroma said:
I put an electronic C88 form (PDF based) for T2L declaration at this link.

It might be of some help to anyone wishing to complete a form, even if it is just to find out what to write and where. I based it on an original C88, hence the green colour, as RYA said downloaded copies weren't acceptable. I have since heard that this is probably not true and downloaded copies should be fine. Codes for both motor and sail are listed in the PDF.

I completed this form and printed a copy to submit for T2L a couple of days ago and will report if there are any problems.

I had been digging around and found some contradictory evidence about how to complete the form. I finally decided I'd a pretty clear idea of what was needed. I only found out about the RYA pack afterwards and asked them to send me a copy. I then heard that there might be errors in the pack but couldn't find anything significant. I have posted detailed information to give links to website I used as sources in post #24 of this thread
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Mistroma, how did you get on with this? Any update?
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Mistroma, how did you get on with this? Any update?
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The PDF worked perfectly and HMRC accepted it and stamped it without a problem. It might be worth noting a few things:

1) I had previously read that SAE was not needed. I thought HMRC would return the form in one of their own envelopes and just ignore my SAE. This was not the case and it took a while to be returned in a non-stamped envelope with £2 fee for postage and admin. I would advise you to include SAE.

2) I had been told that HMRC required an original form and would not accept copies. This seemed odd as the HMRC link allows black and white forms to be downloaded. My PDF was based on an original coloured form and looked exactly like the original when I printed it out. I have heard that HMRC will stamp photocopies of their form and I can easily produce a black and white version. I wonder if HMRC told the RYA that they couldn't stamp copies of the form and only required an original signature, not a photocopy.

3) Remember to pick the correct code, default is for a sailing boat. However, I included a drop down list of other types and an explanatory note (which does not appear when printed as it isn't on the original form).

4) I have also read that HMRC don't always bother with supporting documentation. However, it is probably worth including copies, not originals (e.g. SSR or Part 1, Bill of Sale).
 
Only a few weeks left.

I put a package together on our marina forum ( www.smcchat.com )
I patched the excellent RYA notes to make them more appropriate for out forum members:-
This is a link to my notes (extracted from the RYA)
These notes are worth reading as they explain the situation well.
http://www.scmchat.com/scm2_general_files/T2L-Notes.pdf

One of our members who is active on the Cruising Association said that HMRC will accept and certify printed copies of the T2L.
I was sent a monochrome file with the T2L as one of the pages in a bigger document.
So, I scanned an empty T2L in colour and the RYA's example for our marina forum.
Here are the links if anyone would like to do the same.

The front page of the application
http://www.scmchat.com/scm2_general_files/T2L-Front.pdf

The back page of the application
http://www.scmchat.com/scm2_general_files/T2L-Back.pdf

and an Example of how to fill out the front page
http://www.scmchat.com/scm2_general_files/T2L-Example.pdf

Everyone who has done this process has had their T2L's returned immediately from HMRC - by return of post.
This is the HMRC at its best - well done to all concerned.
 
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