Porth Dinorwick mooring.....Philiz/Kwacka?

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To the NWales mob.......Having just completed an excellent cruise to Ireland, thoughts now turn to our next cruise.....thinking of visiting PD (after a night at Ty Coch)

So question for Philiz and Kwacka and co......can we "book" or "put a towel" on a mooring outside PD? We draw 2.1m loa 12.2m may be another boat or two ( not sure yet)

Looking at 24-26august (roughly) and may like couple of nights, and will tick off the swellies box....Kwacka can do piloting duties? We will be fully stocked!

Any advice or help gratefully received!

Thanks
 
No, but you might be best picking a mooring in the trots furthest away from the dock wall, I'm told they're rated for heavier boats than the inner ones. no, doubt the usual suspects will be about when you arrive, dinghy in, but don't forget the outer dock dries out on all but the smallest neaps.
 
Philiz said:
No, but you might be best picking a mooring in the trots furthest away from the dock wall, I'm told they're rated for heavier boats than the inner ones. no, doubt the usual suspects will be about when you arrive, dinghy in, but don't forget the outer dock dries out on all but the smallest neaps.
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Thanks Phil
Hopefully make the trip next month
Cheers
 
harstonwood said:
To the NWales mob.......thinking of visiting PD (after a night at Ty Coch) Looking at 24-26august (roughly) and may like couple of nights, and will tick off the swellies box....We will be fully stocked!

Any advice or help gratefully received!

Thanks
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Delivery date of swollen fun box noted!

Have a look at this link for one of the most useful tidal planning documents for the area (covers Bardsey, Porth Dinlllaen, Caernarfon Bar, Swellies and all around Angelsey unashamedly copied from the Venturers web site.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2ybtw9gynyo91i/PDTides2014.xls
 
TSB240 said:
Delivery date of swollen fun box noted!

Have a look at this link for one of the most useful tidal planning documents for the area (covers Bardsey, Porth Dinlllaen, Caernarfon Bar, Swellies and all around Angelsey unashamedly copied from the Venturers web site.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2ybtw9gynyo91i/PDTides2014.xls
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Thanks for that.....handy
Do the mooring buoys have pick ups and strops? Or do We need to bring our lassoo!
Looking forward to it
Cheers
 
TSB240 said:
Delivery date of swollen fun box noted!

Have a look at this link for one of the most useful tidal planning documents for the area (covers Bardsey, Porth Dinlllaen, Caernarfon Bar, Swellies and all around Angelsey unashamedly copied from the Venturers web site.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2ybtw9gynyo91i/PDTides2014.xls
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Hi Steve

that is handy thanks ( hope you got my thank you message about the swellies last week too!) - just a query , take 25th Aug Menai B HW is 11.36 yet slack water in swellies 10.12. Would be grateful for an explanation as I would normally associate slack around HW.

Also: Hartonswood:- will you be sharing details of your Ireland trip, passage plan ,experinces .dates etc sounds very interesting?

Regards

Mike
 
Some have strops but the condition of them can be atrocious with loads of sharps and ****e on them.

Used moorings will probably have a pick up!

Most unused just have a big shackle on the top. The buoys and gear are quite suitable to lasso without causing damage then thread the shackle with a bow line at your leisure.

The best spot for a peaceful night is just south of PD in Rowen Bay but it is a much longer dinghy ride to the Gard Ffon.

Watching the visitors mud wrestling or slipping off the jetty by the Pub is good spectator sport.
The only low tide,non muddy and alcohol assisted boarding spot is just south of Dinas Boat Yard quite close to Rowen Bay!
 
Mike k said:
Hi Steve

- just a query , take 25th Aug Menai B HW is 11.36 yet slack water in swellies 10.12. Would be grateful for an explanation as I would normally associate slack around HW.
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explanation - http://www.sailingalmanac.com/Almanac/Navigation/menaistrait.html



flood tide enters the Irish Sea from the top and from below meeting at around Anglesey where it heads east into Liverpool. The flood enters the Menai Straits initially at the southern end at Caernarfon and quite some time before it enters through the north at Puffin Island - at times 6 hours out of phase and with a tidal difference of almost a metre. This means there's a virtual moving waterfall as the water chases itself in and out of the Straits. It also means that HW and Slack Water do not coincide, however in order to traverse the Straits, especially through the Swellies, we need to know where this area of slack water is moving. Thanks to the magnificent studies made by the Oceanographic Dept of Bangor University we can plot the moving schedule of this slack water relative to HW Liverpool, as if like a bus time table. At various points along the Straits, we need to catch this movement of slack water in order to traverse the Straits, perhaps even with just a knot of tide in our favour. Any more, is a recipe for trouble.The HW tidal variations in these waters relative to Dover are more or less the same, give or take 15mins, which makes things easier. Below is a list of passage departure times relative to HW Dover (Liverpool) at various points along the Straits:
Northbound
Beaumaris to Moelfre, Isle of Man or Conwy via Puffin Sound; dept HW +0100
Beaumaris to Holyhead; dept HW
Caernarfon to Trwyn Du; dept HW -0430 passing Swellies at HW -0230
Southbound
Trwyn Dinmor to Beaumaris; dept HW -0400
Beaumaris to Porth Dinllaen; dept HW -0330 passing Swellies at HW -0200
Caernarfon to Fort Belan and Porth Dinllaen; dept HW -0200
Caernarfon to Holyhead; Not possible in one tide.
Yachts without the local knowledge or tackling the Straits for the first time sometimes like to depart or arrive at the above tidal gates a shade earlier, catching the tail end of the foul tide in order to check and steady their speed. This tactic also assists yachts further into the passage as the tide becomes favourable
 
lotusman said:
explanation - http://www.sailingalmanac.com/Almanac/Navigation/menaistrait.html



flood tide enters the Irish Sea from the top and from below meeting at around Anglesey where it heads east into Liverpool. The flood enters the Menai Straits initially at the southern end at Caernarfon and quite some time before it enters through the north at Puffin Island - at times 6 hours out of phase and with a tidal difference of almost a metre. This means there's a virtual moving waterfall as the water chases itself in and out of the Straits. It also means that HW and Slack Water do not coincide, however in order to traverse the Straits, especially through the Swellies, we need to know where this area of slack water is moving. Thanks to the magnificent studies made by the Oceanographic Dept of Bangor University we can plot the moving schedule of this slack water relative to HW Liverpool, as if like a bus time table. At various points along the Straits, we need to catch this movement of slack water in order to traverse the Straits, perhaps even with just a knot of tide in our favour. Any more, is a recipe for trouble.The HW tidal variations in these waters relative to Dover are more or less the same, give or take 15mins, which makes things easier. Below is a list of passage departure times relative to HW Dover (Liverpool) at various points along the Straits:
Northbound
Beaumaris to Moelfre, Isle of Man or Conwy via Puffin Sound; dept HW +0100
Beaumaris to Holyhead; dept HW
Caernarfon to Trwyn Du; dept HW -0430 passing Swellies at HW -0230
Southbound
Trwyn Dinmor to Beaumaris; dept HW -0400
Beaumaris to Porth Dinllaen; dept HW -0330 passing Swellies at HW -0200
Caernarfon to Fort Belan and Porth Dinllaen; dept HW -0200
Caernarfon to Holyhead; Not possible in one tide.
Yachts without the local knowledge or tackling the Straits for the first time sometimes like to depart or arrive at the above tidal gates a shade earlier, catching the tail end of the foul tide in order to check and steady their speed. This tactic also assists yachts further into the passage as the tide becomes favourable
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Thanks for taking the effort Lotusman....that is brilliant information. Best wishes Mike
 
Swellies Slack time is only a guideline. Whilst tidal predictions are good they should only be used as a guide. It is influenced by weather patterns as they found when they wrecked the HMS Conway on the Platters!

When you have get cocky (some of us have been around the Menai for a long time > 45 years now!) you push the window quite a bit further.

General rule South to North Go early up to 2 hours before slack (4 before high)

North to south is self regulating.

Go early you use a lot of fuel unless you know the back eddies. I have pushed through with only a 10 hp engine up to an hour before slack but you might end up taking avoiding action from out of control boats coming the other way at upwards of 12 knots SOG!

Going much later especially near HW is possible but is not recommended for those with 1. nervous disposition, 2. unreliable or underpowered craft both of which I qualify for on all accounts!

Generally leave that playtime to the nutters like Kwackers ,the Canoeists and the fire brigade training for flood water rescues!
 
If you go much before slack you are against the flood of up to 6 knots so basically if you stick to the "approved channel route" you could be there until the tide turns!

I can remember the good old days of the Straits regatta when the 100 plus fleet of saily boats would compete in the race to Caernarfon. They were always sent off against the flood so you generally had the whole fleet bunch up at Menai Bridge or somewhere in some part of the Swellies. When the tide turned they would be guaranteed to be flushed out to Port Dinorwic!
 
TSB240 said:
If you go much before slack you are against the flood of up to 6 knots so basically if you stick to the "approved channel route" you could be there until the tide turns!

I can remember the good old days of the Straits regatta when the 100 plus fleet of saily boats would compete in the race to Caernarfon. They were always sent off against the flood so you generally had the whole fleet bunch up at Menai Bridge or somewhere in some part of the Swellies. When the tide turned they would be guaranteed to be flushed out to Port Dinorwic!
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thanks Steve
 
TSB240 said:
Some have strops but the condition of them can be atrocious with loads of sharps and ****e on them.

Used moorings will probably have a pick up!

Most unused just have a big shackle on the top. The buoys and gear are quite suitable to lasso without causing damage then thread the shackle with a bow line at your leisure.

The best spot for a peaceful night is just south of PD in Rowen Bay but it is a much longer dinghy ride to the Gard Ffon.

Watching the visitors mud wrestling or slipping off the jetty by the Pub is good spectator sport.
The only low tide,non muddy and alcohol assisted boarding spot is just south of Dinas Boat Yard quite close to Rowen Bay!
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Thanks Steve, so is anchoring ok at. Rowen bay? Looks like an option .....how far to walk to,the pub etc? (Priorities!)
If I nipped up in the car to check it out, is the a "favourite spot!"

Cheers

Mark
 
harstonwood said:
Thanks Steve, so is anchoring ok at. Rowen bay? Looks like an option .....how far to walk to,the pub etc? (Priorities!)
If I nipped up in the car to check it out, is the a "favourite spot!"

Cheers

Mark
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Why dont you nip over when you have a minute , we can nip out and see what you wanna do and I can go over tides an stuff and tother way round the Island Gorad Goch, it will only take 3 mins in me boat and bring a go pro to film it all--Job Done!:encouragement:;)
 
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