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capnsensible said:
Probably someone who has a commercial qualification thats acceptable to the boat owners insurance company. Plus of course, a person who does the job for a living, has wide experience and carries their own personal indemnity insurance. And operates under a contract with the owner.

Amazing people. :cool:
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They absolutely are!
Strangely, my own boat insurers specifically exclude professional skippers from those to whom I can give permission to use the boat. And in the context of the current legal circumstances I don't think it is possible to discriminate between long serving delivery skips with a CE or whatever and your mate who wants to make a few quid.
 
laika said:
Just to clarify...did that £6k include the boats or is that just employer's liability and professional indemnity? I assumed the latter but maybe I just misread. Apologies for prying but I am actually curious.

Also still curious about "Boogaloo": I assumed that was a reference to a yacht which came a cropper on a delivery causing insurance problems for the skipper but I've not been able to google anything (apart from the dance and dodgy gun references)
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That quote did not include the yachts. It got silly.

Boogaloo is a sailors expression for 'whatever' and has been around a long time.

As Sharkey mentioned, there are 'skippers' around who are poorly informed about the implications of what they are undertaking and owners who dont get it either.
 
capnsensible said:
Boogaloo is a sailors expression for 'whatever' and has been around a long time.
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I've not encountered that before. Any idea where it comes from, or in what areas it's used? I was aware of the dance and the music...a little googling suggests it's also an early 20th century derogatory nickname for a person of african american descent, and there's this new dodgy american term for an armed conflict with an oppressive government. Haven't been able to turn up anything sailing related but very interested to here more details...
 
laika said:
I've not encountered that before. Any idea where it comes from, or in what areas it's used? I was aware of the dance and the music...a little googling suggests it's also an early 20th century derogatory nickname for a person of african american descent, and there's this new dodgy american term for an armed conflict with an oppressive government. Haven't been able to turn up anything sailing related but very interested to here more details...
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An etymologists dream. Was certainly prevalent in RN for several decades at least.

Try relaxing with:

 
dom said:
What do you do about professional indemnity insurance now then?

And presumably it wouldn’t be smart to hire a delivery skipper without adequate PI?
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Dont know what other schools do. We stopped our overseas school for other reasons, but that was certainly a hastener. It was a massive jump in cost. That was about 4 years ago. Subsequently Ive taken the easy route and freelanced to other schools after selling our training yacht.

My own personal indemnity insurers are detailed ^^ not gonna type their name again! Thats for deliveries. Of course there are people around who will chance it. But the people I know who do far more than me do it properly. Its the age of litigation. Plus if you're a Brit, the MCA may decide to prosecute the serious cases too. Goes with the territory if you turn pro. I dont mind all that, pre doombug I got to go to some fab places and sail interesting boats. (y)

And yes, in my opinion, it would not be smart to hire a skipper without adequate PI and a suitable contract.
 
Stemar said:
I seem to recall a "delivery skipper", actually a builder, who sank a gin palace by stuffing it into a buoy because he wasn't looking where he was going. He didn't have appropriate insurance, and it cost him his house.
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At the Needles iirc, boat was on autopilot & hit the waypoint, sank in Poole.
The new owner refused to accept the delivery that hadn't been made, the broker in Guernsey claimed from insurance company, who then went for Skipper & his mate.
Boat value I think was about £700k, both Skipper & Mate lost out big time.
Not sure any Skipper indemnity insurance would have helped in a case of 'gross negligence'.
 
capnsensible said:
Dont know what other schools do. We stopped our overseas school for other reasons, but that was certainly a hastener. It was a massive jump in cost. That was about 4 years ago. Subsequently Ive taken the easy route and freelanced to other schools after selling our training yacht.

My own personal indemnity insurers are detailed ^^ not gonna type their name again! Thats for deliveries. Of course there are people around who will chance it. But the people I know who do far more than me do it properly. Its the age of litigation. Plus if you're a Brit, the MCA may decide to prosecute the serious cases too. Goes with the territory if you turn pro. I dont mind all that, pre doombug I got to go to some fab places and sail interesting boats. (y)

And yes, in my opinion, it would not be smart to hire a skipper without adequate PI and a suitable contract.
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Problem is, there are lots of people working in the City, who have gained a commercial endorsement, who will work for a pittance (they don't need it as income, they just want a sailing 'holiday'), happy to quote silly prices to owners needing a delivery, killing the business for pro-skippers who need the work & have higher costs to cover because of their indemnity insurance.
Most of the time, no problems so they get away with it.
Wonder how people like Halcyon deal with insurance?
 
Sharky34 said:
Problem is, there are lots of people working in the City, who have gained a commercial endorsement, who will work for a pittance [...] happy to quote silly prices to owners needing a delivery, killing the business for pro-skippers
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Really? Do you have any figures to back that up or is it just the conception of a negative worldview? I don't believe your average banker can drop what they're doing at a moment's notice to fly out for a delivery the duration of which will be weather dependent. I think the "can't make a decent living" angle is already covered by the fact that bulk of delivery skippers I've known have either been backed by pensions, partners or parents.
 
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