Port of Registration and name??

[AndyAndKatie]

Hi all

You quite regularly see boats of all shapes and sizes with the boat name painted on the transom or stern, and then followed by the port of registration, for example " Truant... of Brighton "

My question is, does the " ...of Brighton " have to remain??
On the very fisrt Bill of Sale, the boat name was "Truant of Brighton" , but she has since been sold (I think) around 4 times, and on all the following bills the name is just "Truant" with no "...of Brighton" on the name.

I have removed the old name a replaced with a nice new one, (same name of course) but I was wondering if I needed to add the port of registration or wether I can add the river of where she is now kept, ie Medway or Gillingham.

Does any body know or have any thoughts on this??
Many thanx

 

[Skylark]

Hi Andy,

Having the port of registration in the name implies that she was once listed on the Part 1 Register of Shipping. With the changes of ownership, you didn't mention whether, or where, she was now registered. Part 1 proves legal title, Part 3, Small Ships Register, says "I say this is my vessel and the Registry hasn't argued with me". SSR doesn't require port of registry.

The vessel doesn't need to be registered at all (unless she is bound for a foreign port) in which case call her what you want!

The Registery of Ships and Seamen, Cardiff, has a good website for the "correct" interpretation of the rules.

David

 

[Moonshiners]

I don't see why you cannot change it other than for physical reasons of being left with sunfaded lettering after removal.

IMHO - If your boat names is registered as "Gin Palace" then you should be able to replace with your current location.

I would only think it an issue if the original location was still part of the registered name.

 

[EdWingfield]

I changed the name of mine, as you have. Then I told my insurance co. Also phoned Coastguard who updated the details then and there. (I bet GC find more than a few Truants on the list)

Hell, I cannot remember if I updated the Small Ships Register!

The best bit though is the essential renaming ceremony (alcohol obligatory). Not all goes down your throat though, some must go in the drink for Neptune.

 

[Salty John]

Careful, the ....of Timbuctoo bit is part of the boat name. The hailing port as it's called is not linked by ...of.
When you see a boat name such as Dreamer of Hamble it's because there is another Dreamer registered so that name is taken and the new registeree modifies the name to make it unique. Dreamer of Hamble could have a hailing port, usually written in black letters under the boat name on the stern, of Fleetwood.
If you just list your boat on the SSR you don't need a hailing port and can call the boat what you like, within reason.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

To complicate things, there is the possibility to use the name 'Truant of Brighton' as the Part 1 name, and then have the port of registry as well, could be Brighton, might be Cardiff!

In theory, a Part 1 registered boat should show the port of registry..... so I guess theoretically, it would be 'Truant of Brighton of Cardiff'!!!!!!!! However, I think this is unlikely, and the registry would disallow it in reality....

A part 3 (SSR) boat could be called Truant, and as it doesn't have a port of registry doesn't need to show a port..... but it could also be called 'Truant of Brighton' in which case that is what it would show on its transom!

Gottit?

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[RestlessL]

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In theory, a Part 1 registered boat should show the port of registry..... so I guess theoretically, it would be 'Truant of Brighton of Cardiff'!!!!!!!! However, I think this is unlikely, and the registry would disallow it in reality....


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Not as unlikely as you think - The full name of Restless is "Restless of Langstone", and this is the name that appears on the Part 1 as the name. The port of choice (used to be the port of registry) is Southampton. Part 1 registration requires you to display both the registered name and the port of choice on the transom. So the lettering shows, on 2 lines, Restless of Langstone / Southampton

Part 3 is a bit easier, as the name is secondary and you only need to display the SSR number.

John

 

[DevonMark]

I am struggling with this with my new boat: If the boat name has "of somewhere" in it and the port of registry is also "somewhere" (assuming Part 1 registration) does that mean you still have to display the registration port? i.e. My New Boat Name of Plymouth / Plymouth...

Mark

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Yes!

 

[RestlessL]

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To complicate things, there is the possibility to use the name 'Truant of Brighton' as the Part 1 name, and then have the port of registry as well, could be Brighton, might be Cardiff!

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Brighton is not a recognised port of choice, so "of Brighton" must be part of the ship name.

John

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

OK... so I didn't check official ports of registry.... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[michael_w]

For Part 1 compliance, you could have the "of" in tiny letters so it isn't too noticeable.

 

[Csail]

Also is mine legal as it still has RAFSA under the name!

 

[pyrojames]

My old Boat was DW of Kirribilli, London, so both an "of" and a hailing port.

 

[peterb]

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Also is mine legal as it still has RAFSA under the name!

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Certain clubs have the privilege that the club's name (or initials) can be used in place of the port of registry. I believe that RAFSA is one of these. If so, then the club's secretariate should have a letter saying so; ask them.

 

[PuffTheMagicDragon]

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Brighton is not a recognised port of choice, so "of Brighton" must be part of the ship name.

John

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I am not familiar with the details of your laws; however, I do not think that they would be much different from anywhere else.

As far as I know, one cannot include a Port of Registration into a name. For example, I could change the name of my boat from just 'Cyano' to 'Cyano of Malta'; however, I would not be allowed to name her 'Cyano of Valletta', because Valletta is a port of registration. I would expect that your laws, in conformity with International Martitime Conventions, would have a similar provision. I cannot, unfortunately, quote chapter and verse at this time.

 

[burgundyben]

I thought that you could use any one of the ports of registry.

IE, my oboat is Playtime II, registered in Southampton, but I could have Playtime II of London on the transom and that would be fine. I recall there is about 100 registered ports?

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

No... I think you can only use the port to which she is registered... which in my case is Falmouth... so i'm OK with that /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[RestlessL]

I am not sure about this. A quick search on the mars database shows some 80 vessels called "xyz of Southampton".
It is possible that they are all Part 3 registered, but my understanding is that for Part 1 vessels the only requirement is for vessel names to be unique in the register.

John

 

[RestlessL]

Although we are all talking about the "Port of Registry", I think all vessels are now registered in Cardiff. The term Port of Registry disappeared with the blue book (I still have mine), and the term "Port of Choice" was brought in. I don't think there is any need for you to have any connection with that port.

John