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interested to hear any thoughts, hopefully owners on these two

Pogo - heard from a client that their friend was buying one going from a 40ft Jen. The it was the first stand I saw at the SIBS. They look incredible - not going to be a relaxing sail but amazing to be able to essentially cruise a racing boat.

X-yachts - doesnt seem to be anything on here at all. Only seen one up close, 50-ish ft version. Looked amazing, as do all of them. seem to have a decent heritige too
 
I used to own an X 302. Big disappointment. Worst pounder I've ever sailed, including Dragons! Build quality decidedly average, missmatched veneers, head seacocks so close together the effluent "recycled". Hopeless cockpit ergonomics. There are two places you can steer and see the jib. One after a few minutes it reminiscent of a visit to the Headmaster. The other position lead to one's legs going to sleep. Not easy to move about in a seaway! Oh, the rudder started to split in two after 4 years. X-yachts UK couldn't care a flying fk. Seems the high price is to pay the Danish worker's comp.

Dunno about the Pogo, except I'd buy one like a shot! Seeing the way the Pogo Minitransats get abused, they must be tough as old boots.
 
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Way said:
interested to hear any thoughts, hopefully owners on these two

Pogo - heard from a client that their friend was buying one going from a 40ft Jen. The it was the first stand I saw at the SIBS. They look incredible - not going to be a relaxing sail but amazing to be able to essentially cruise a racing boat.

X-yachts - doesnt seem to be anything on here at all. Only seen one up close, 50-ish ft version. Looked amazing, as do all of them. seem to have a decent heritige too
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Having sailed a smaller (6.50) Pogo a considerable distance, I suspect the 12.50 would be a doddle to sail (OK hull shapes are different but there are a lot of similarities). Probably easier than many more typical or AWB-type 40-footers. The hull shape should make it extremely stable off the wind, and having two rudders means that you have to try pretty hard to make it round up. Actually you don't have to try that hard in a 6.50, but they are more powerful (SA-displacement ratio) than an Open 60. I suspect the 12.50 isn't anywhere close to that, so the sailing should be faster and easier than in other 40 footers. I suspect.
 
Way said:
interested to hear any thoughts, hopefully owners on these two

Pogo - heard from a client that their friend was buying one going from a 40ft Jen. The it was the first stand I saw at the SIBS. They look incredible - not going to be a relaxing sail but amazing to be able to essentially cruise a racing boat.

X-yachts - doesnt seem to be anything on here at all. Only seen one up close, 50-ish ft version. Looked amazing, as do all of them. seem to have a decent heritige too
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We delivered an XC-42 recently. A lovely yacht! The Skipper was very impressed...

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Pete
 
Way said:
Pogo - heard from a client that their friend was buying one going from a 40ft Jen. The it was the first stand I saw at the SIBS. They look incredible - not going to be a relaxing sail but amazing to be able to essentially cruise a racing boat.
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Saw one in Northern Ireland being cruised single-handed by a Frenchman. Presumably not a beginner but clearly the boat can be handled easily by an experienced sailor. Apart from all their other plus points, you can even bring up the keel to reduce the draught.
 
Well interesting comments on the x-302. I have owned my X-302 for some 13 years, I have nothing but praise for the quality of the build, and we way it handles, up wind in F6 still only need one finger and a thum to steer. Down wind no vices, even by the lee. Speed wise I will keep up with most cruising boats up to 38 feet, even though I am only 30ft.

top speed I have had 13.8knts through the water, but frequently get 10knts down wind with main & jib. Up wind 6.5knts but will generally out point most boats. (in the last 3 years I have been in the top 10% for the Round the Island race -ISC class-.


Down sides is the cost of replacing the rod rigging, about twice that of wire, but is does last about twice the time if looked after. Storrage a little limited for long distance cruising.

As to the charge of slamming, I would say you need to leard how to sail in waves, and how to set you rig for waves.

If you get an X-yacht I an sure you will not be disapointed.

As very happy X-yacht owner
 
Clive said:
Well interesting comments on the x-302. I have owned my X-302 for some 13 years, I have nothing but praise for the quality of the build, and we way it handles, up wind in F6 still only need one finger and a thum to steer. Down wind no vices, even by the lee. Speed wise I will keep up with most cruising boats up to 38 feet, even though I am only 30ft.

top speed I have had 13.8knts through the water, but frequently get 10knts down wind with main & jib. Up wind 6.5knts but will generally out point most boats. (in the last 3 years I have been in the top 10% for the Round the Island race -ISC class-.


Down sides is the cost of replacing the rod rigging, about twice that of wire, but is does last about twice the time if looked after. Storrage a little limited for long distance cruising.

As to the charge of slamming, I would say you need to leard how to sail in waves, and how to set you rig for waves.

If you get an X-yacht I an sure you will not be disapointed.

As very happy X-yacht owner
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Hi Clive, would you be kind enough to suggest or link to a learning resource about how to sail in waves, and set my rig for them? Many thanks Jerry.
 
Point up when going up the wave, bear away going down the face. Tack in the trough. Keep your sails powered up, not too much backstay and plenty of twist / draft in the main and genny. The steering thing sounds easy but is tricky in practice. I try to relax and get into the rhythm of the waves, but it's difficult to avoid hitting / falling off one every so often.

I'm not aware of any specific rig settings other than not having too much tension in the forestay. Perhaps someone else can advise if there is any more?
 
Hi Jerry

Mr Ming is right, sailing in wave is all about keeping speed to drive through the waves. General rule flat water needs flatter sails and less twist, waves require fuller sails more twist. If you look at any good dinghy book it will give the basics,
Yachts are simular to dinghies but are heavier and have a lot less acceleration, so needs to keep momentium up.

So on my 30ft X-Yacht going up wind

Jib:- ease sheet to give a little more fullnes, say 1-3 inches, ease halyard 1-2 inches, if windy move jib car back to open slot and depower, while keeping fullness and power low down in the sail.

Main:- ease Foot 2-3 inches, allow more twist, (I don't use any kicker up wind, just control with mainsheet and traveller)
use cuningham, to pull flow forward,
if over powered ease main, but pull traveller to wind ward keeping boom on or just below the centre line, (helps keep the boat pointing high).

back stay:- depends, with full main (ie no reefs), I use a lot of backstay, but once I start to reef the main I ease of the back stay, as it have little impact on the fullness of the main but does impact the fullness of the Jib. (easing the backstay makes the jib fuller at the front edge, ie luff)

try and steer around the biggest waves, need to look 10 boat lengths ahead, and have someone on the main sheet to play the main depowering in the gusts, or allow the helm to bear away around big waves.

Hope that helps
 
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Point up when going up the wave, bear away going down the face. Tack in the trough. Keep your sails powered up, not too much backstay and plenty of twist / draft in the main and genny. The steering thing sounds easy but is tricky in practice. I try to relax and get into the rhythm of the waves, but it's difficult to avoid hitting / falling off one every so often.

I'm not aware of any specific rig settings other than not having too much tension in the forestay. Perhaps someone else can advise if there is any more?
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How does one do that for several days on a long passage...big crew or...........
 
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