Jeepster
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That's certainly possible.
Please I.D. this boat!!!
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That's certainly possible.
Jeepster
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Perhaps but I'm not sure about fuel consumption being fixed per/hp, surely some 90hp diesels will be more economical than others? He did say its a slow revving engine (about 950rpm at cruising speed (6knots) and 1400rpm at maximum speed (8knots)) Also doesn't the fuel consumption come down to several factors like the weight of the boat, prop pitch, hull drag, and RPM used etc? I'm guessing a heavier boat require more fuel to shift it than with a lighter boat? Wouldn't a slower revving engine with greater low down torque use less fuel than a higher revving engine with less low down torque?
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Ocean Star
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The fuel consumption really sounds like the least of the problems. Unless you're getting the boat for a very very low price, I'd really be inclined to suggest a survey to start with. If the seller is genuine with nothing to hide then they would welcome the idea of a survey. If they refuse or try to convince you that one isn't needed, run for the hills. It will be worth it in the long term. A small outlay of a few hundred £'s now could save a few thousand.
Further to that, boats cost money - a lot of it. Owning one can be one of the best experiences, but also one of the most expensive when things go wrong. Do your homework first and make sure you have some in reserves for the unexpected. Hope it all works out for you.
Further to that, boats cost money - a lot of it. Owning one can be one of the best experiences, but also one of the most expensive when things go wrong. Do your homework first and make sure you have some in reserves for the unexpected. Hope it all works out for you.
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Imperial One
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Jeepster,
BE CAUTIOUS.
I know a lot about Steel and Aluminium boats as this is one of our main activities. Whatever you are spending, spend some money on a good surveyor. Make it one that you find, not one the seller recommends.
It is unusual to paint a hull using gloss paint, maybe there is a reason for this cheaper alternative. All the advice given so far from the forum is sound. Do not fall in love with it because of the price, sure she looks very pretty but it all sounds too good to be true. And there is an old adage about that .....
Get it surveyed before you buy her and surely the current owner has something from when he bought her to help with provenance?
BE CAUTIOUS.
I know a lot about Steel and Aluminium boats as this is one of our main activities. Whatever you are spending, spend some money on a good surveyor. Make it one that you find, not one the seller recommends.
It is unusual to paint a hull using gloss paint, maybe there is a reason for this cheaper alternative. All the advice given so far from the forum is sound. Do not fall in love with it because of the price, sure she looks very pretty but it all sounds too good to be true. And there is an old adage about that .....
Get it surveyed before you buy her and surely the current owner has something from when he bought her to help with provenance?
Jeepster
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Thanks for the advice....can you recommend a surveyor in the East Kent area? If i said i can buy the boat for less than 22000, is that cheap?
Ocean Star
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That depends on the outcome of the survey. At that sort of price I wouldn't be parting with money without a recent survey or having my own carried out.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Thats an impossible question to answer. If all the components on board are in good order, possibly yes but if the engines need £30k of refurb work, then definitely no. I have bought many secondhand boats in my time and my advice is not to stint on a survey. A few hundred pounds or more spent on a thorough hull and equipment survey will always pay dividends and if the surveyor is not experienced enough to survey the engines, then get a mechanical engineer who can. Don't forget also that any offer you make is subject to a seatrial and the best time to check the engines is when they are under load during the seatrial. I have used Jim Pritchard http://www.jimpritchard.co.uk recently and he was excellent although quite pricey. It might be worth at least talking to him; even if he can't do the survey himself, he may be able to recommend somebody more local. What makes a boat expensive or cheap is not only what you buy it for but also how much it costs you to put it right after you've bought it.
Divemaster1
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Huge warning bells are ringing here, so do pay attention to the warnings coming from the vast experience in here ... Any boat cost money to own & run ... and buying the wrong one could become the proverbial black hole which you cannot get rid of.... I seem to recall a couple of weeks ago there was a poster in here who had a steel boat which looked good, but ended up having significant re-work (replacement of large hull steel sections etc.), and now selling the boat...#
On the fuel economy issue, Diesel has a specific calorific value and can only produce a certain amount of energy for a given volume... and please do not confuse economy in cars with economy in boats... Older diesel engines are less effective than new ones, irrespective of RPM... and this one will not be an exception, so as a minimum she will burn 200 grammes of diesel per hour for each HP you take out .... and on an old mechanical engine like this, you will easily loose 5 HP in mechanical friction ... so that in itself mean it will burn over a litre per hour just to keep itself running at idle ... and that is before you load the engine by spinning the propeller. You cannot beat the laws of physics here and the figures you quote / were quoted is pure fiction ... and IMHO blatant lies, upon which I'd not even spend money on going to have a look at the boat as there will be more issues hidden issues here.
PCUK
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You can Google surveyors but you will pay about £600 for this survey. From what you have told us you will be far better off walking away now and saving the survey fee. For £22000 there are many many really nice boats out there. This one will break your heart and your wallet!
Jeepster
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Well I've rang 3 surveyors now and they are all charging around £10 per foot...£450 is a lot of money and double what I am prepared, can afford to pay. However, I found a very cheap alternative...Simply buy myself a portable ultrasound thickness tester so I can survey the hull myself...They cost as little as £69 on Amazon!
jrudge
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Is this post a troll? if it turns out to be a nail ( gloss paint!) then £450 is the least of your problems.
rbcoomer
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I must admit that was my thought! Spending £450 is nothing if it saves wasting 20+ grand!!! (Plus perhaps another 20+ fixing the issues that a survey would hopefully highlight... )
Searush
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Jeepster:
Just go for it, cos if you do, your tales on here will keep us entertained for years to come, provided you can still afford to pay for internet access. :encouragement:
Just go for it, cos if you do, your tales on here will keep us entertained for years to come, provided you can still afford to pay for internet access. :encouragement:
Vitesse
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Jeepster - Ask yourself if you are trying to justify the seller's inconsistent information by making your own excuses for what he says.
The boat may be a dream or a nightmare but if a few hundred pounds up front answers that question...
BTW, the fuel tank on my little boat holds 400 litres. We can easily burn 60 odd litres on a half day out.
Or would you rather spend the potential thousands?
The boat may be a dream or a nightmare but if a few hundred pounds up front answers that question...
BTW, the fuel tank on my little boat holds 400 litres. We can easily burn 60 odd litres on a half day out.
Or would you rather spend the potential thousands?
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Jeepster, if this is your attitude to boat buying, you're going to come a cropper, mate!
Nautical
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someone is laughing methinks. If it isn't a joke and the poor chap actually goes ahead without advice / survey we can at least entertain ourselves all winter while panic posts come in as each bit of the boat falls off one piece at a time !
Jeepster says in one post around 15.00 yesterday , doesn't matter was turned down for a loan last night, His first post was early hours of the next morning after the rejection of his loan, so he posts about buying a boat that he has already been turned down a loan for ? Then another loan appears a few hours later ?
Jeepster says in one post around 15.00 yesterday , doesn't matter was turned down for a loan last night, His first post was early hours of the next morning after the rejection of his loan, so he posts about buying a boat that he has already been turned down a loan for ? Then another loan appears a few hours later ?
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jimmy_the_builder
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You're spending £450 to potentially avoid wasting £22k. Of course, you could spend £69 instead of £450 - but that'll just buy you the machine, not the knowledge and experience to produce an informed opinion.
Personally, I think you are out of your mind to even consider buying this without a proper complete and comprehensive survey, from an experienced and qualified surveyor.
capsco
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This has to be a wind up.
Tintin
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Either a troll or very daft.
Fools are easily parted from their money.
Fools are easily parted from their money.
rbcoomer
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There's nothing wrong with dreams and aspirations, but would seriously suggest the o/p looks in detail at costs of keeping and running before going further!
If a survey costing £450 is deemed too expensive when it could (and almost certainly will) highlight some areas requiring expensive attention, then what's going to happen when something costing upwards of a grand needs fixing? I'm the first to admit to very limited funds to feed my 'boating bug', but there's a big difference in that the numbers involved for me are much smaller. I paid £1500 for each of my last two boats - one a project and the other had been laid up for 18M. Whilst I didn't have survey on either, both were worth the price paid in parts. I went into with eyes open and was confident in having (or acquiring) the skills to fix (and perhaps more importantly researched extensively the costs involved). Translating my experiences to a boat of this size, you could easily spend £5-6K fixing issues and if unlucky, a whole lot more! Then there's the issue of where you'll keep it and what that will cost... For me that's easy - both kept on driveway at zero cost, but for a 40' that's unlikely to be an option and don't forget that cost will be there all the time you own the boat whether using or not - likewise the loan. Personally, I'd also think very carefully about funding this type of purchase with a loan too - for new or nearly new it's not an issue, but consider that IF you buy and there are lots of issues then your £20K boat could actually cost you more than twice that. Much as I hate pouring cold water on someone's dreams, I fear a harsh and steep learning curve otherwise!
If a survey costing £450 is deemed too expensive when it could (and almost certainly will) highlight some areas requiring expensive attention, then what's going to happen when something costing upwards of a grand needs fixing? I'm the first to admit to very limited funds to feed my 'boating bug', but there's a big difference in that the numbers involved for me are much smaller. I paid £1500 for each of my last two boats - one a project and the other had been laid up for 18M. Whilst I didn't have survey on either, both were worth the price paid in parts. I went into with eyes open and was confident in having (or acquiring) the skills to fix (and perhaps more importantly researched extensively the costs involved). Translating my experiences to a boat of this size, you could easily spend £5-6K fixing issues and if unlucky, a whole lot more! Then there's the issue of where you'll keep it and what that will cost... For me that's easy - both kept on driveway at zero cost, but for a 40' that's unlikely to be an option and don't forget that cost will be there all the time you own the boat whether using or not - likewise the loan. Personally, I'd also think very carefully about funding this type of purchase with a loan too - for new or nearly new it's not an issue, but consider that IF you buy and there are lots of issues then your £20K boat could actually cost you more than twice that. Much as I hate pouring cold water on someone's dreams, I fear a harsh and steep learning curve otherwise!