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How do I work out the boats weight to see if I can put her on a trailer and bring her back to Norfolk?


Displacement is reported to be 2,109 kg with Ballast of 725 kg.

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LOA: 8.3m (27'3")
LWL: 6.6m (21'7")
Beam: 2.6m (8'6")
Draft Min: 1.4m (4'6")
Draft Max: 1.4m (4'6")
Displacement: 4,650kg (10,253.3lbs)
Headroom: 1.7m (5'5")

a little more than you had imagined?
 
Can I add my voice to the expression of support. I know that I would not have the bottle to take something like this on so, I am in awe of anybody who can.

Does the travel hoist not "weigh" the boats as it moves them?
 
I hope you will forgive a stranger butting in but I was very sorry to hear of your plight and now delighted that you are going to tackle the necessary repairs. I had delamination in a previous boat, not as serious as yours seems to be but it involved digging out the engine bearing mouldings which was bad enough. I did not have the necessary skills myself and skilled labour and advice were in short supply where I was, but eventually it was done. I am sure that with the support and advice you will get from forumites who have trodden the road before you, you will end up with a splendid boat in which you will have absolute confidence. And what pride you will have in a job well done.

I hope you will have time to keep the forum updated on progress.

Best of luck

Michael
 
Unless old age has crept up on me un-noticed, the displacement is substantially more.

Based on LWL 6.6 x Beam 2.6 x Draft 1.4 x block coefficient 0.95 x density 1.025 = displacement 23.39 tonnes.

All the extra extraneous material should be removed. The light weight given by the manufacturer would suggest the towing weight.

Good Luck to Flipper in all his efforts.
 
Yes, you're right. Should have used a Cb of 0.6 then displacement on load draught is 14.7 tonnes.

It is 0oold age /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Just to add more confusion, Dayton's has the displacement at 2109 kg .

Ballast is listed at 725kg.

Wishing you best of luck with the project !

You are a brave man !

We are all different I know, but I could not bear to go without sailing for so long.
 
Suggest also you replace block coefficient (used on ships mainly) with Prismatic Coefficient, which measures the full ness of the ends of the yacht.
So I thin k you are still very high.

The answer, as I have given above is about 4650kg, plus any owner added weight to come up with a Personal Increment Number.

Gross Tonnage (maybe?) is based on a formula that measures the carrying capacity (essentially a cube measurement calibrated against "tuns" - standard size wine barrels!). That would fit your 14ish tonne figure
 
Hi
if we all sat down and worked out how much it would cost in time and cash we would never get to our dreams,mine took two years more than i wanted and cost nearly £20,000 more than i budget'ed for ,would i do it again...you bet i would ,good luck
ps if you need stainless welding give me a shout im at bradwell and can slip over any time
 
If Jim is correct, and knowing Jim he most likely is, She will be a bit to heavy for a normal trailer / 4x4 move.
You will have to explore a commercial move.
I would still strongly recommend the move.

I had an hour on Sirenia this evening and managed to tick of 2 items from my long list and then cooked tea for my wonderful wife and the in-laws who are staying for the week.

As I said the best place is 2 steps from the back door if you can achieve it.

Good luck and don't hesitate to ask if you need some assistance.
I feel that I have a big debt to pay back to the forum.
 
Roger

Thanks for that.
I paid Tam for it the other day.
Hope to be using it before the end of next month /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Good luck. My 2p FWIW.

1. Get the boat home preferably undercover. Having renovated 2 keel boats at home it's the only place to do it.

2. "Weight". According to this a Verl 27 is 2 tonnes. http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/b...d=1413&url=
I suspect this is a bit light but would expect it to be below 3 tonnes max (ex mast/boom (& engine)if needed) so just about goes on a legal tow with a suitable vehicle/trailer.

3. If you are doing all you say (& working/family time etc) then 2011 is the earliest launch I would expect.

4. Its probably what I would do..

Good luck!
 
Remember most boats bend a bit out of the water. Be very careful to maintain correct support so she doesn't distort as you cut away all the internal joinery.

I still think you'd be better off selling her and starting again. Beware of rose coloured binoculars and optimistic budgets.
 
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Peter,
initial project plan has been sent to your email addy.

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You can go off people you know!! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

My 7 line refit plan was far more achievable than your project plan. Maybe I need to consider this further /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Now my head hurts and I haven't been drinking.

Still awaiting the written survey report and 2 different quotes. I am not going to start ripping out the insides quite yet. Want to get a final decision from Insurers once I have given tham all the information before I start.

The thing I keep coming back to (and a significant part of my motivation) is if I can't sell Flipper then the only option is to refit her as sitting in the yard waiting a buyer to arrive costs £17.50 a week (£910 per year)? How do you dispose of a fiberglass hull? Chainsaw and skip - then what?
 
Brutally?
E-Bay.
Assuming you get a few bob out of the insurer.....

I just sold my Sad Seal 22 there for £1040 as a project needing a lot of work. Much the same reason as you - 11 quid a week down the Swanny in storage.

Besides, and I maintain this, our Hobby Hero is Robin Knox Johnston, not Barry Bucknell. My view is that boat fixing is a necessary part of sailing, not sailing as part of evil boatfixing.
 
Jim there are 2 sorts of sailors
1/ the sailor who goes sailing & keeps up with refits
2/ those who refit/rebuild & will go sailing when its finished , unless they can think of "Just one more Job". these are not sailors & will never get sea sick
 
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