Pilothouse vs Sports Cruiser (Cuddy)

First time boaters buy petrol outdrive soft top sports boat, lack of knowledge and cost being the main factors.
Second boat (if here is one) will be diesel shaft drive hard top.

Not for me..

Fletcher 19 gto - outboard soft top
Cap camera 625 WA - outboard soft top
Saver 6.9 - outboard soft top with new canopy and cockpit heater. Best of both worlds.....

Diesel engines great for fuel economy, expensive to maintain compared to modern outboard. Don't get me started on out drives!!!!

Petrol cost a factor for outboards but cross over point is probably over 100 hrs use annually for me so happy at the moment.
 
Re #3 water coming in at speed. If its well designed cover in good state of repair shouldn't leak.
Often water proofing goes, zips and velcro fade, tears in canvas, stitching in windows fails with older covers. All can be sorted and redesigned as some designs are poor in first place.
Also windscreens and hard tops can also leak as seals go.

Maintenance!!!
 
Not for me..

Fletcher 19 gto - outboard soft top
Cap camera 625 WA - outboard soft top
Saver 6.9 - outboard soft top with new canopy and cockpit heater. Best of both worlds.....

Diesel engines great for fuel economy, expensive to maintain compared to modern outboard. Don't get me started on out drives!!!!

Petrol cost a factor for outboards but cross over point is probably over 100 hrs use annually for me so happy at the moment.
I agree, outboards are the future. America has always had large boats powered by outboards and now Europe is following that trend. A big Honda outboard is so reliable that you could cross an ocean with it.
 
I agree, outboards are the future. America has always had large boats powered by outboards and now Europe is following that trend. A big Honda outboard is so reliable that you could cross an ocean with it.

I had a new 135 Honda on the Cap Camerat and it was bullet proof. Took it off and sold separately 2 years later with 80 hrs on it for only £1300 less than I paid for it...

I'd buy one again!
 
The wife has the present one , a SLK which she had had since 2011. The SLK being the best of all having a metal roof. She had a KA before that and we had a Frogeye and a Herald convertible.
UK weather isn't so bad - not too hot in the summer . A day like today - blue skies even if a bit cool seems perfect.

As for sports cruisers I would suggest looking at those a bit bigger , 25ft , which have a canopy that may be left up while under way.

My boat (in the UK) has a flybridge , I very rarely drive from the lower helm . Just wear appropriate clothing when necessary.
 
Having owned lots and lots of boats from Fletchers, Sunseeker sports boats, to larger flybridges we now have a pilot house type boat - Botnia Targa - The upper helm which is akin to driving a smaller sports boat never gets used unless slow speed on a river etc. Boat gets used 12 months a year, yes it has sundae area too, but 90% of the time we are inside !!!

For the UK being able to shut yourself inside with a heater on makes the boat very useable all year round. The odd sunny days make sure it has a hatch in the roof or somewhere to spend outside, chair on the platform, bow cushion / seating, or roll up pad on the roof maybe>?
 
I have a soft top sports cruiser with a really good canopy and a heater outlet in the cockpit. This gives the best possible combination of uses and is perfectly usable in all weathers.

my experiences of both flybridge boats and hardtop/wheelhouse boats Is that they are not as flexible, but that’s just me.
 
Problem with small pilothouse boats is that there is no-where comfortable to lounge and take in the sun, bit like sitting on a bus.
That’s true to some extent (although in the Uk id argue that a sports boat has nowhere to sit in the warm that’s light and airy!). However, a MF805 has a large sun deck on the roof of the wheelhouse. I’m amazed more of this style boat don’t take advantage of the space up there, we use it so much.
 
I have a soft top sports cruiser with a really good canopy and a heater outlet in the cockpit. This gives the best possible combination of uses and is perfectly usable in all weathers.

my experiences of both flybridge boats and hardtop/wheelhouse boats Is that they are not as flexible, but that’s just me.

ditto. With a 5kW diesel heater in the cockpit that costs pennies to run I can set the cockpit temps to just about any setting I like. I dont get the cosy argument. Quite the reverse. On a clear winter's day I can feel like it's the height of summer and be given the illusion of such precisely because it's canvas.
 
What an amazing set of replies – much appreciated, but almost so many it is hard to keep track! Will follow up selicans broker recommendation.

Overall, it seems that most people do prefer pilothouses for usability.

But, are there any hardtops - or simply a 25ft sportcruisers that can keep their canopy up – which are worth thinking about?

Perhaps what CLB and BruceK have?
 
What an amazing set of replies – much appreciated, but almost so many it is hard to keep track! Will follow up selicans broker recommendation.

Overall, it seems that most people do prefer pilothouses for usability.

But, are there any hardtops - or simply a 25ft sportcruisers that can keep their canopy up – which are worth thinking about?

Perhaps what CLB and BruceK have?
If you're happy to look at a sportscruiser with canvas canopies then the world's your oyster really, there are loads. Adding a diesel heater will cost 1-4k depending on whether you go chinese copy with diy install, or a branded unit and pro install.

You could start to narrow the field a bit by looking on Yacht World or The Yacht Market or boats.com, with search criteria for your budget and location and length range. You want to consider resale potential too, so popular models that have steady demand would be a good place to start. Don't know what your budget is but something like the Sealine S23 might appeal:

2003 Sealine S23 Sports Cruiser Power New and Used Boats for Sale

That one is under offer/sold but it even had Webasto heating.
 
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No-one has mentioned the security issue. A lockable cockpit door must be more of a deterrent to the casual intruder than a canvas cover.
 
No-one has mentioned the security issue. A lockable cockpit door must be more of a deterrent to the casual intruder than a canvas cover.

Nobody has mentioned it because believe it or not even cuddy cabin open cockpit boats have a lockable door. Or are you worried they will steal the seats?
 
Even in the Med, I always had pilothouse boats, they not only protect against the cold and wind but also against the sun
Not much call for that here in Devon, unfortunately. But having protection from the elements will almost certainly lead to an extended boating season. I’ve had quite a few open boats, ribs mostly, and had little desire to use them in cold, wet weather.
 
If you're happy to look at a sportscruiser with canvas canopies then the world's your oyster really, there are loads. Adding a diesel heater will cost 1-4k depending on whether you go chinese copy with diy install, or a branded unit and pro install.

You could start to narrow the field a bit by looking on Yacht World or The Yacht Market or boats.com, with search criteria for your budget and location and length range. You want to consider resale potential too, so popular models that have steady demand would be a good place to start. Don't know what your budget is but something like the Sealine S23 might appeal:

2003 Sealine S23 Sports Cruiser Power New and Used Boats for Sale

That one is under offer/sold but it even had Webasto heating.

TBH, i have looked at countless adverts - and only got more confused as a result! I was originally thinking of something like a Sealine S24, then convinced myself i could go faster using less fuel with something like a Regal 1950 - only for this thread to worry me that i would be miserably cold in doing so. And that a MF-style was the best solution!

Given that a MF is about twice the price of (that) Regal my instinct is that i could buy quite a few jumpers (heaters) for 10K - but suspect this is simply me making a noob error (won't use it at all if unpleasant) and also underestimating the amazing cost of boats. Especially ones with engines.

Going back to the use-case, my aim was to have outings around Lyme bay and occasional camping-style weekends on the upper reaches of the Dart. For which the MF's lowest draft seems to win again.....

Sooo confused!
 
No-one has mentioned the security issue. A lockable cockpit door must be more of a deterrent to the casual intruder than a canvas cover.
You would think. Unfortunately my pilot house was broken into, a 50c bottle of water was stolen and more than €2000 worth of damage was done to the door. The insurance assessor seemed concerned that the boat was no longer secure because the door was broken. But in the end of the day, anything made of plastic, wood or glass is easy to break and expensive to fix.
 
If you're happy to look at a sportscruiser with canvas canopies then the world's your oyster really, there are loads. Adding a diesel heater will cost 1-4k depending on whether you go chinese copy with diy install, or a branded unit and pro install.

You could start to narrow the field a bit by looking on Yacht World or The Yacht Market or boats.com, with search criteria for your budget and location and length range. You want to consider resale potential too, so popular models that have steady demand would be a good place to start. Don't know what your budget is but something like the Sealine S23 might appeal:

2003 Sealine S23 Sports Cruiser Power New and Used Boats for Sale

That one is under offer/sold but it even had Webasto heating.

DIY installation for a Chinese heater will be around £250 including a decent UK made hull fitting and silencer. If it costs anything near to £1 k then something is amiss!!
 
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