Pilgrim 25

[markle]

Hi All

I have just joined and can not find a newbie corner so thought I may as well say hi here.

Have had a long history with boats, old plymouth pilots, shetland etc. I have treated them all badly and they have had lots of blood spilt as pretty much working rod and line boats.

Now have purchased a very old (older than me!) Pilgrim 25. Came with stacks of history and am setting about tidying her up for a life of more sedate boating.

Have added some images in the gallery

Have joined up to share info (probably take more than I give if I am honest!).

First job is to stop the windows leaking, having tried creeping crack cure it now seems the whole frame is wet and porous .... Next plan will be to replace the wooden frames. I am a little daunted by this as everything on the boat is older than I am!

Any tips appreciated I have searched the web and info on these boats seems to be pretty limited.

And thanks for letting me jump aboard!

Mark

 

[markle]

Just a vain attempt at bumping this one and clarifying Does anyone know how the wooden window frames are put together on an old marine projects princess I am going to replace them on the water and am a little scared (terrified) of pulling one out and not being able to fabricate for fear of filling the boat with a whole cloud, it is raining lots in sunny Devon this year

Dont know if they screw through the grp (hopefully) or are just a slot in affair ....

 

[oldgit]

Pilgrim 25...a little more

From 25 Years of Motor Cruisers. MBM.


and wheres the 2012 edition ???

 

[markle]

Awesome thank you oldgit

I have the even more ancient version of the boat with wooden window frames (approaching a collectable I think) but any pics serve as a great reference point.

I have decided to bite the bullet, rip a window out and worst case just tape a bin bag over the hole ..... please stop me doing any more than that, my Princess is not going to become another work boat ... ha ha!

I will put a pic up of my findings, I think last time the windows were repaired they used skirting board (pine) so dont think I will do too much damage even if I lose all windows Will just make it a spy boat (for spying on not out of)

 

[markle]

OKay so project dry window was underway today

I removed the old window, kind of started like this.

Here you can see the pieces of skirting board that held the pane in (this was allegedly done by a pro - I even have a receipt!), the skirting was screwed to the boat then a window was mounted inside

Kind of shocking! Glad I decided to replace. So this is the hole I am left with

With a nice little lip to sit the window on (why didnt they do this last time!).

Not sure if I will just drop a new pane in and make up a hardwood frame for aesthetics, or make a new frame, attach the pane and just glue the lot in .... Any ideas welcome, I like the idea of a new frame built to have a lip to cover the joins but my hand may be forced by grandfather time. It currently has a large hole and binliner window assembly which wont last long

Ideally some nice alloy frames like those in oldgit's images would be nice but perhaps beyond budget and ability.

 

[markle]

now with pics thanks to flickr instead of my gallery

 

[talltim]

With a nice lip like that, if it is on all 4 edges, you could bond the window in with sikaflex

For pro job paint a border on the inside of the glass with the correct paint/primer to give an even black shaded frame irrespective of the fluctuating width of the sealent.

 

[vas]

hi there,

you're in for some work I see...

what talltim suggests can be done, got to be very good and capable to make a nice clean finishing though. Wont leak for sure

I'd proceed in a different way, by asking the basic Q:
what do you want the overall finish to be? How do you plan to repair/rebuilt the boat?

I mean lacquered timber frames is completely different aesthetically to ss frame or flush mounted on sikaflex. Want to revive the original, want a utilitarian boat, want to spend time lacquering/scrapping et al annually, your decision!

cheers

V.

 

[markle]

Well the plan is sealant and a mimimum of bolts, with solid frame inside and a fascia outside.

Good shout on painting the frame, it will be white as that is the sealant colour (although may go for a clear mix but wanted to cover the existing holes without any real effort )

CT1 is my sealant of choice ....

Inner frame I will have cut from white acrylic sheet which will give me an edge to tuck the headlining etc under and the outer frame will just be aesthetic, UPVC strips cut and mitered to fit.

I just updated with the pics but have been considering this one for weeks so think I have a way forward, I am looking to avoid wood to keep any future efforts to a minimum!

And yes loads of work windows are the easy but but hopefully she will be worth it (still in her home town of Plymouth) so it will be a labour of love

Thanks for the replies Mark

 

[markle]

So the windows are finally in! Went with black sealant as suggested and glad I did.

Going to add a very thin frame to them as I did try filling the small gap on the outside to make everything flush but it doesn't quite work (or it does but it is not super pleasing to the eye!).

Was surprisingly easy to do once I had the right bolts and now looking for some very thin upvc to make a small fascia frame which will cover the gap and seal everything totally (although the ct1 has already shown its worth as it rained during fitting and not a drop).

 

[BartW]

Hi Mark, welcome to the forum,
this is a very interesting thread,
although I personally can't give you much advice on your specific questions,
there are very knowledgable and experienced people on here,

in one way or the other, I didn't give attention to your thread, (as many others didn't) which is a shame,
perhaps because I didn't know the name,

many on here like rebuild threads,
if you start a new thread with a name like:

"rebuilding a old Pelgrim 25 "

and continue to post pictures the way you did !
I'm sure you will have more comments and get more advice
good luck with your project and your lovely boat.

 

[markle]

Thanks Bart, may start another although I ma trying to avoid telling myself I am rebuilding, too intimidating I am trying to look at it as a list of small jobs

Also have the engine to contend with which is in several pieces around my house, have owned many outboards before and worked on them and am amazed at how inboards suffer from the mighty salt water

Lots more small jobs to come and thank you for taking an interest Mark