Pictures from SIBS

[superyachtED]

Hi,
I am trying to get down to SIBS this week, but im not sure if i can find the time. Does anybody know where to find or have, any pictures from this years event. In particular I'd love some of the sunseeker 40m.
Thanks,
Ed.

 

[epervier]

Hi,
I am trying to get down to SIBS this week, but im not sure if i can find the time. Does anybody know where to find or have, any pictures from this years event. In particular I'd love some of the sunseeker 40m.
Thanks,
Ed.

You owe me a virtual drink,

 

[volvopaul]

Mrs VP and I went on both the princess boats in the last pic, simply awesome!!!.

The bit I didnt like was the 2.6m price for the standard boat and the 300k for the extras!!!

 

[epervier]

I never go on them, I made myself a promise, if I can't buy it, I wouldn't tease myself, and I don't even do the euro lotto.that's the only way I'll get to own one.

 

[Firefly625]

Mrs VP and I went on both the princess boats in the last pic, simply awesome!!!.

The bit I didnt like was the 2.6m price for the standard boat and the 300k for the extras!!!

Oh that's just silly... I would settle on spending £300k on a boat..

 

[jfm]

Mrs VP and I went on both the princess boats in the last pic, simply awesome!!!.

The bit I didnt like was the 2.6m price for the standard boat and the 300k for the extras!!!

I went on both too Paul. Interesting pair. Both lovely boats, but it was wierd that the 72 felt in many respects better than the 78. We reckoned the 78's main competitor was the 72! 72 had a bigger lunch table on the fly (seats 10!), foredeck seating, nice galley, etc, yet 600k cheaper

The 78 had that awful oak wood inside that Princess use. The Princess guys told me they agreed it was lousy but Princess had now realised their mistake with the lacquer and within a few months they will be using a different varnish that makes the oak look pale gold like Fairline's, San Lorenzo's, Sessa's, etc, which is how it should be. Still far to many cross head screws on show in the furniture construction though, on both boats

Both boats had the patio doors too far aft imho. Typical mistake to squeeze a huge saloon in cos it looks good in the brochure, but in warm climes where most of these go you live outside not in. The patio doors need to be 2 foot forward. Praps that's why they sell well in norway? 78 had a neat door to crew cabin on the starboard side - much better than a transom door. Neither boat could have internal stairs to flybridge, not even as an option, unfortunately. 72's fly dash also only allowed one nav screen which is a shame on a boat this size. 78 fly dash was much better, ie bigger

You can have the 78 for MUCH less than 2.6, including the £300k of extras that you need. Both are available with fin stabilisers too

 

[Hurricane]

I went on both too Paul. Interesting pair. Both lovely boats, but it was wierd that the 72 felt in many respects better than the 78. We reckoned the 78's main competitor was the 72! 72 had a bigger lunch table on the fly (seats 10!), foredeck seating, nice galley, etc, yet 600k cheaper

The 78 had that awful oak wood inside that Princess use. The Princess guys told me they agreed it was lousy but Princess had now realised their mistake with the lacquer and within a few months they will be using a different varnish that makes the oak look pale gold like Fairline's, San Lorenzo's, Sessa's, etc, which is how it should be. Still far to many cross head screws on show in the furniture construction though, on both boats

Both boats had the patio doors too far aft imho. Typical mistake to squeeze a huge saloon in cos it looks good in the brochure, but in warm climes where most of these go you live outside not in. The patio doors need to be 2 foot forward. Praps that's why they sell well in norway? 78 had a neat door to crew cabin on the starboard side - much better than a transom door. Neither boat could have internal stairs to flybridge, not even as an option, unfortunately. 72's fly dash also only allowed one nav screen which is a shame on a boat this size. 78 fly dash was much better, ie bigger

You can have the 78 for MUCH less than 2.6, including the £300k of extras that you need. Both are available with fin stabilisers too

Any with internal stairs?

 

[mjf]

I went on both too Paul. Interesting pair. Both lovely boats, but it was wierd that the 72 felt in many respects better than the 78. We reckoned the 78's main competitor was the 72! 72 had a bigger lunch table on the fly (seats 10!), foredeck seating, nice galley, etc, yet 600k cheaper

The 78 had that awful oak wood inside that Princess use. The Princess guys told me they agreed it was lousy but Princess had now realised their mistake with the lacquer and within a few months they will be using a different varnish that makes the oak look pale gold like Fairline's, San Lorenzo's, Sessa's, etc, which is how it should be. Still far to many cross head screws on show in the furniture construction though, on both boats

Both boats had the patio doors too far aft imho. Typical mistake to squeeze a huge saloon in cos it looks good in the brochure, but in warm climes where most of these go you live outside not in. The patio doors need to be 2 foot forward. Praps that's why they sell well in norway? 78 had a neat door to crew cabin on the starboard side - much better than a transom door. Neither boat could have internal stairs to flybridge, not even as an option, unfortunately. 72's fly dash also only allowed one nav screen which is a shame on a boat this size. 78 fly dash was much better, ie bigger

You can have the 78 for MUCH less than 2.6, including the £300k of extras that you need. Both are available with fin stabilisers too

Hi jfm, I'm pleased that you have posted here as I went on the large Sq at SIBS - is that similar to your newbuild?

I wanted to look over to try and put into 'finished' prospective your pix of construction.

I assume you too looked over the show Sq? In the master suite what are the shelves for behind the panel that opens on the left as you exit - seems an odd space??. Also on that boat the heads arrangement was a tsd odd too with a cabin with no dedicated head.

 

[jfm]

Hi jfm, I'm pleased that you have posted here as I went on the large Sq at SIBS - is that similar to your newbuild?

I wanted to look over to try and put into 'finished' prospective your pix of construction.

I assume you too looked over the show Sq? In the master suite what are the shelves for behind the panel that opens on the left as you exit - seems an odd space??. Also on that boat the heads arrangement was a tsd odd too with a cabin with no dedicated head.

Yes i saw it at the show, and have seen it many times at the factory. It's kinda similar to mine obviously, but mine has a list of about 70 modifications . The show boat is #67 (mine is #70), going to australia, to an owner who has many boats of which this is probably the smallest (I won't mention name here) and it is not his main boat so he has just ordered a nearly standard Sq78.

Mine has different shape master cabin (bulkheads), different master bathroom, crew layout, lighting, saloon furniture, flybr stairs shape, etc. Plus it has internal stairs, much better B+O sound, light oak wood not walnut, different (bigger) galley, some wood floors, etc etc x70.

The little shelves you mention in the master cabin are not for anything in particular. DVDs maybe. They're very small, and pointless imho. They wont be on my boat, becuase that section is totally different on my boat

The head layout is deliberate. On a boat this size you can easily fit 4 ensuites but you have to "pay" for the 4th bathroom somehow. Eg look at floor plan of Ferretti 750 frexample - that has nice big cabins but 3 of the 4 shower rooms are awful things where the shower is the same space as the room so all the floor gets wet, yuk. They're not easy to keep spotlessly clean either: cleaning a tiny shower room is hard, like cleaning a telephone box. Or look at Princess 78 - they have 4 cabins and 4 nice bathrooms, but they "nick" a metre of space by putting the fuel tanks at sides of engines not athwartships, which ruins the engine room imho. Or look at Sunseeker Y80 (which has more beam btw) which has 4 great cabins and 4 great bathrooms (though the master bathroom isn't as good as Sq78) but the engines are further back on V drives so it has much smaller crew/utility space compared to Sq78 (and you know I like my washing machines, tumble driers, ironing machines, etc ).

I'm not saying anyone has got it worng. It's a matter of choice. FL rightly or wrongly decided on 3 bathrooms made much bigger than the equiv bathrooms of the competition, and no compromioses ref athwartships fuel and crew space etc, etc. I happen to agree but each to their own. (incidentally, I'm having the crew cabin decorated as nicely as the guest cabins and it has 2 twin beds that convert to double plus an ensuite shower room, so I'll have 5 cabins with 4 ensuites). When furnishing the boat I always put bathrobes in the cabins so the guests in the non ensuite cabin who have to cross the corridor to get to the bathroom have a robe to do it in (the poor darlings...!)

 

[mjf]

Yes I see that.

Thought it odd though that the 4th cabin shared the VIP suite loo forward whilst the other side cabin had its own en suite.

Horses for courses


I suppose the ball bag and spats that I insist upon on my boat would be frowned upon on your Sq?

 

[jfm]

Thought it odd though that the 4th cabin shared the VIP suite loo forward whilst the other side cabin had its own en suite?

No, the VIP forward has its own en-suite on the starboard side of the boat. On the port side of the boat there is another bathroom which is ensuite to the port side twin cabin, shared by the starboard side twin, and the day head. This port side ensuite has two doors: one to the port cabin and one to the lobby.

I suppose the ball bag and spats that I insist upon on my boat would be frowned upon on your Sq?

Not sure of your context. If golf, they'd be welcome. A couple of mates are assembling a roll of fake grass, a tee device, and 500 buoyant practice balls, so we can set up a driving range on the swim platform

 

[Nick_H]

A couple of mates are assembling a roll of fake grass, a tee device, and 500 buoyant practice balls, so we can set up a driving range on the swim platform

I followed a superyacht out of St Tropez a while back, with two guys using the back of the first deck as a driving range. They didn't bother with buoyant balls though, just waived goodbye to them. I guess they were confident of their drives, because a slice could easily have hit us.

 

[Pinnacle]

Yes i saw it at the show, and have seen it many times at the factory. It's kinda similar to mine obviously, but mine has a list of about 70 modifications .

jfm, I had a look at this (only from the pontoon, you understand) and it was simply Mahoosive!!

Bet you can't wait for delivery!

 

[mjf]

"ball bags and spats"

That's Y fronts and ankle sox that are worn for the trans - companionway loo dash!

 

[mjf]

"this port side ensuite has two doors: one to the port cabin and one to the lobby"

Oh! sorry missed the lobby door - in fairness there was a woman standing there - thats why I thought it odd that stbd cabin had no choice but to enter another cabin to use the head

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The head layout is deliberate. On a boat this size you can easily fit 4 ensuites but you have to "pay" for the 4th bathroom somehow. Eg look at floor plan of Ferretti 750 frexample - that has nice big cabins but 3 of the 4 shower rooms are awful things where the shower is the same space as the room so all the floor gets wet, yuk. They're not easy to keep spotlessly clean either: cleaning a tiny shower room is hard, like cleaning a telephone box. Or look at Princess 78 - they have 4 cabins and 4 nice bathrooms, but they "nick" a metre of space by putting the fuel tanks at sides of engines not athwartships, which ruins the engine room imho. Or look at Sunseeker Y80 (which has more beam btw) which has 4 great cabins and 4 great bathrooms (though the master bathroom isn't as good as Sq78) but the engines are further back on V drives so it has much smaller crew/utility space compared to Sq78 (and you know I like my washing machines, tumble driers, ironing machines, etc ).

I'm not saying anyone has got it worng. It's a matter of choice. FL rightly or wrongly decided on 3 bathrooms made much bigger than the equiv bathrooms of the competition, and no compromioses ref athwartships fuel and crew space etc, etc. I happen to agree but each to their own. (incidentally, I'm having the crew cabin decorated as nicely as the guest cabins and it has 2 twin beds that convert to double plus an ensuite shower room, so I'll have 5 cabins with 4 ensuites). When furnishing the boat I always put bathrobes in the cabins so the guests in the non ensuite cabin who have to cross the corridor to get to the bathroom have a robe to do it in (the poor darlings...!)

Agree with you. As an owner, I wouldn't have a prob asking guests to share heads because specifying ensuites for every cabin inevitably steals space from somewhere else but I expect the demand for every cabin needing an ensuite comes from the charter market. If you've just paid your 1/4 share of £30k+ + + per week to charter a 70 footer, you'd be pretty pissed to find your cabin wasn't ensuite.
As for boats of this size not having internal stairs to the f/b, its just stupid. A Princess guy did explain to me at LIBS recently that their research had indicated that a majority of their customers didn't care whether their boats had internal stairs or not but I find that hard to believe. Every owner I've spoken to who's got a boat with internal stairs wouldn't buy another boat without them. Personally I think it's a styling thing. The guys with red braces and yellow specs probably reckon that internal stairs spoil their concept of a New York loft apartment interior.

 

[Nick_H]

I really dislike the Jack and Jill arrangement that so many boats have (mine included), as guests can end up busting for the loo during the night, only to find the other guests have left the door locked from the inside. Personally i'd spec smaller cabins and all en-suites given the choice

 

[jfm]

"ball bags and spats"

That's Y fronts and ankle sox that are worn for the trans - companionway loo dash!

Ah, gottit. Definitely not welcome on my boat!

 

[jfm]

Actually, even if no woman, you might not have noticed it. In a strange bit of over designing Fairline have made this door kinda invisible. It has no door frame and no visible door furniture. You have to do a little trick to locate and reach the handle. As an owner you have to brief your guests on how to open this door (ffs!)

 

[jfm]

As for boats of this size not having internal stairs to the f/b, its just stupid.

The new big Fairline 80-85 foot due out in a year or two will have internal stairs as an option. I've seen the mock up and drawings. That'll make Ferretti and Fairline the only two

A Princess guy did explain to me at LIBS recently that their research had indicated that a majority of their customers didn't care whether their boats had internal stairs or not

Doh. That research is pointless: you can predict the answer before you start. You don't just ask your customers Princess. You ask people who could be your customers but aren't.