Picking up a mooring, wind against tide

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I watched an interesting example of a pick-up not going entirely to plan on Sunday.
There was a strong ebb tide running, and the small yacht (I think a repro-Edwardian racer - very long overhangs at prow and counter, very low in water, narrow beam, very long boom) came up river on a following wind. They had lowered the single headsail, and with main alone were creeping up on the mooring. The man hooked the pick-up buoy, but the boat of course went on moving, running over the connecting rope so the two buoys went down different sides of the boat. The girl at the tiller could do nothing to slow the progress. He was forced to drop the buoy, and the boat ploughed on slowly, eventually being brought up when the rope caught round something at the stern.
They were then stuck - the main pulling hard, with the boom right out, but the boat now "moored" by the stern.
After a long and perilous struggle they managed to get the sail in, at which point the boat finally slipped back with the tide and he was able to retrieve the buoy and secure, at the bow this time.

What would be the correct way of picking up the mooring in these circumstances (assuming you were determined to do it under sail, rather than dropping everything and motoring up)?
I presume that the rather small headsail alone would not have been sufficient to overcome the tide, hence use of the main.
it seems to me that what was lacking was a way of spilling wind from the mainsail. The gaff was very high-peaked, so I can see the reluctance to drop the peak and have it wrap itself round the front of the mast. There was only a single topping lift, so the gaff could not be constrained as it would be between double lifts.
It all happened in incredible but inexorable slow-motion, with seemingly no way of stopping it.
 
It would need to be a major tidal flow to overpower the headsail, bearing in mind that 'slower the better' makes the mooring pick-up easier.
Approach into tide under headsail only, release the jib sheet at the appropriate moment, once secured the flapping jib can be hauled down/in.
Better still, fit a roller headsail before leaving the mooring again.
 
Sheeting in the main would do no good in these circumstances. Any attempt to approach downwind under the main with a controlled speed is doomed from the outset as you cannot spill the main entirely no matter what you try.
The approach should, as has been already posted, under headsail alone.
Sounds to me as though they were lucky to get tangled up in the mooring to arrest their progress or they may still have been going now and wondering how to stop.
General rule is wind abaft the beam go in with the headsail, wind forward of the beam use the main.
Wind and tide in the same direction, forget the idea and go look for another mooring if you don't particularly want to amuse the onlookers.
 
I presume he had already tested the effect of headsail alone, or knew it to be insufficient. It seemed to be a rig heavily balanced towards the main, with the mast well forward. Certainly the speed over ground with the main alone was very low - easy to be lulled into thinking the job would be easy, but forget that any speed if you can't stop is too fast. It occured to me that in those circumstances very little spilling of wind from the main would have been effective in reducing the speed to nil, but the rig seemed to lack the apparatus for doing that. And of course even stationary and moored by the bow, he still needed to get the sail down somehow.
Perhaps headsail alone but with the engine in reserve would have been best. It's easy to be wise when you are only a spectator, and I've done some pretty silly manoeuvres myself and hoped no one was watching.
 
Perhaps we should write a book "Silly manouevres I've tried....and failed at" or "Manouevring under sail, things I have proved impossible".

I could fill a chapter in no time!

I must admit though it's a lot more fun trying everything under sail rather than giving the old iron horse a kick in the guts every time.
 
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I don't understand this remark, wind and tide together is a doddle it is only when they are from different directions that life gets interesting. Not having had the option of engine in a 1930s day boat I have experienced - and at times C***ed up /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif - every combination.

In this situation, approach under control on a reach, and at the appropriate moment luff up head to wind to the buoy. If you have got it right the yacht will stop with the bow exactly placed for your crew to pick up the buoy. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If you are feeling especially talented you can run down towards the buoy and either luff or gybe 180 degrees to the mooring. Great to get this right, particularly with an audience, but much embarrassment if not as it is really unnecessarily flashy.

It all comes down to knowing how far your yacht will carry it's way in differing strengths of wind and tide. Also important always have the sails ready to drop, halyards free to drop etc.
 
He could have tried to scandalise(sp?) the main by hauling up the boom to the mast, this would be only limited help with a gaffer of course. I have never tried it, as I have a big genoa and it tends to have enough drive. In suitable conditions it is relativly easy to creep over a modest tide using the hull windage alone, even then I always have a bucket at the stern ready to deploy to slow down even more on the final approach.
 
Ditto that.

You should always know how the boat will behave. Without knowing that, you need an engine to 'rescue' the situation.

It sound like the Main was too overpowering to use for this, and the jib only should have been used. All they needed was steerage way, and a very slow approach with the jib ready to either let fly or drop. Having the two buoys joined by a runner was tricky as well.

Scandalising the main: I don't think on a boat like this has a loose foot. Loose footed sails can be triced up (hauling the tack up) with an extra line from the gaff and/or dropping the peak of the gaff. this would help a bit, but not much. Stout galvanised bucket over the stern is a good idea.
 
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Stout galvanised bucket over the stern is a good idea.

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This really comes into play entering the lock at Shotley, with following wind, and even bare poles is too much windage.
 
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I don't understand this remark, wind and tide together is a doddle it is only when they are from different directions that life gets interesting. Not having had the option of engine in a 1930s day boat I have experienced - and at times C***ed up - every combination.
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I agree it should be a doddle - my comment was based on observations of this getting messed up by watching people missing the buoy through the wrong angle of approach and then wondering how to get back to it.
I think it is probably down to helmsmen watching the buoy to try to judge his course rather than a fixed leading line on something to help keep him on track, this seems to make people come up too hard on the wind.
 
Only way is to practice....especially here in Bristol Channel....took a bit but ok now with 4/5 knts of current running. Go slow towards it but pick up needs to be quick.
 
"Wind and tide in the same direction, forget the idea and go look for another mooring if you don't particularly want to amuse the onlookers."

:-) - I think I resemble that remark - though anchoring, not mooring (in Osbourne Bay last week). Wind WITH tide. Dropped jib too early, so got it back up - just as a gust caught .. so tack and try again... then decide it's too shallow after all and have to move on (at which point the donk went on).

I hope the spectators were amused - cos I wasn't much! I want lazyjacks so I can drop the main in a hurry... or a loose footed main. Or both...

At least I can fantasise that if I'd been on the helm it might have worked :-).

I wouldn't try the main wind-against-tide even in a genoa-heavy bermudan - been there, done that, learned...
 
Just having a double topping lift with a rope each side of the sail helps, especially if positioned on the boom so that the gaff stays constrained between the two lits all the way down. A refinement which I am trying this year is to divide each side of the topping lift into two, ie a rope span each side of the boom, creating a kind of mini-lazyjack system but keeping it simple.

With a doubled topping lift I can just drop the gaff on virtually any point of sailing, and it and the sail stay basically on top of the boom. The gaff halyards and topping lift fall all lead back to the cockpit.
 
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