petrol v deisel. facts

Re: petrol v diesel. facts

Petol was 99p per litre back then, I think it is a very reasonable 90p per litre now.

Boating on Windermere is such good value!!!! but i love it

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Well I have only had a petrol boat so I could fall into the category that you mention /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I do think diesel boats have a place, but they are not the be all and end all. You have to take each case one by one, and there is a an economic argument at a certain stage where there is no doubt diesel (at the moment) comes out the better buy. On my boat for example the premium for a diesel engine would be £10,000+ extra, based on the size of my boat and limited range, I would deem it pointless to pay that extra money. Same could be said for someone who barely pokes their nose out of Poole harbour in a bigger boat and doing very limited hours, why shell out £20k + if you don't need to or can't justify that expenditure. If you are a keen boater out all the time of course diesel will eventually pay it's way.

Same goes for putting new engines into older boats, of course if you have had an old problem petrol and now realise you are using it a lot more, then there is a chance to put in a diesel, why not go for it, but would you give the same advice to someone who is doing 2hrs a weekend in it, I doubt it /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

Simple really, diesel has its place, but it is not the great fix for everyone. I have been looking a a few bigger boats and diesel is certainly something I will be considering /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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You include a good point in your post worth highlighting Pete.

The premium for diesel in small sports boats is often as much as £10K, and that's the real rip-off. You could fit a new unit yourself for that price, and sell-on the new unused petrol lump for at least £5K. (Mind you, only if you had the same moral standards as those who engage in pyramid selling, 'cos selling on a petrol marine engine to some poor unsuspecting newbie is just as gross!).

I suppose it's the price we pay for not being able to build enough sports boats at competitive prices in the uk (or esp. for the uk market), so 90% of the diesel powered examples are delivered without engine from the US, to have the diesel unit installed hear at great expense.



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Keep an eye out for March issue of PBO! See how it was done!

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I might even beat you to that.....

Keep an eye out for Feb's MBM in less than 2 weeks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Snap then! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Well that's exactly why I see a rip off as well. I can get the bog standard Volvo 4.3GL at the base price or pay £10,450 more for a base diesel, I don't know what the price of the Petrol engine is, but if you say £5k, then the diesel is costing me £15,450. Perhaps if someone takes the 'hit' on the small new petrol boat and you fitted it yourself, then you are onto a winner. For the less technical minded like me, we rely on others to do the work, or get it new on a new boat, so really it is US getting ripped off. Why not start a free forum diesel fitting and top dollar petrol engine disposal service? When can you get me this £5k all in deal to get me swapped over (£10k for new engine engine & £5k credit for the petrol), and can you give me a proposed completion date /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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You may see my article in the same issue on the benefits of PETROL over diesel /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Re: petrol v diesel. facts

What !!!!!

They are not going to print your experience are they - there can't be anybody left who doesn't know already!!!

Almost as much of a waste of paper as the New Boat Guide :-)

Martyn


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Re: petrol v diesel. facts

Think of it as a kind of erm......... EXORCISM !

Once I've put it to (hard copy) print, I can put it behind me and move on with my life (whilst I still have an odd distant acquantance or two that will still acknowledge me!).


Oh why did I let the bag out of the cat, damn.................

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Re: petrol v diesel. facts

Never mind Martyn - I still loves yer /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif!

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Re: I wonder?

Whilst not wanting to get into the petrol v diesel debate, I have always had diesel, well at least till I got the rib last week,,,,,,I wonder when people talk about speeds of 35-40knts in small say 20 to 24ft cruisers, wether if they are honest they ever sustain such speeds for long.

I say this cos it seems to me that if the conditions are not pretty flat theres gonna be a lot of slamming going on, even from other boats wash also.

Then once that starts I exspect hubby gets tap on shoulder from wifey yes?.......

I can count on one hand the times I went out in the estuary whilst at Chatham when the conditions were good enough for such speeds. I know I couldnt at the time cos mine was 8 tons of semi dis but..........

Now this week I took the rib out in calm conditions in that no wind or breaking waves but a generous swell from winds far off, (shes 6.2m long) and once I hit 30-35knts she was leaving the tops of the swell and slamming down pretty hard. Slowed down to 25kts much more comfy.

Come on lads lets own up....................

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Re: I wonder?

have to disagree with you here Mr Sun_Coast - having had a 48knot 6.5m boat on the Medway I would estimate that 50% of the time I could use 40knots all the way down from the derestricted area out into the Thames - possible slowing if wind over tide through the narrows at Sheerness.
Equally often ran in the Solent at full chat.
Where I couldn't though was in the med after around 1030h most days. In 28 boating days out of Ampuribrava I could only once run at 'high speed' after around this time.
I too am firmly in the category of horses for courses and for any light'ish boat a DFI 2 stroke OB takes some beating on fun and fuel economy, especially when servicing costs are taken into account!
On my current boat I have diesel because I never want to think about the cost of enjoying myself - life's to short /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Re: I wonder?

The number of occasions when I've wot'd my machine are too many to even count. It's rare that I will not go out and have a good long blast.

You can't maintain those speeds though, not because of comfort factor, but because the engines aren't rated continual WOT (certainly mine isn't). I usually cruise at 25 to 30 knots

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Re: I wonder?

Yes I know its possible on the medway I did it in Happys boat, but thats what prompted my post, even then we didnt sustain 38 knts for long on account of the wash from other boats making his take off, much to wifeys annoyance. And slowed for safety reasons ask Oldgit.

Moreover I did refer in my post to the estuary, and like I said 9/10 the estuary was extremely lumpy and not ONE boat was doing anywhere near that speed once they entered the estuary.

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Re: I wonder?

Exactly!

When I used to have my Sealine, the bar talk was always that it could do 40knots.

But I would only ever cruise at 20-26K.

The other big problem at speed, is keeping tabs of where you are. Navigation at those speeds is pretty difficult even with all the gadgets as the bouys keeping flying past.

Now I have a much slower and heavier diesel boat, I do miss the buzz.....until the next time I fuel up!

Mike

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