Pershing 37 - Windy Khamsin 34/35

[Spyros]

Hello to all,

just back from holidays with by 33 foot HT rib and already looking to replace it with something a bit bigger.
Looking for a very good handling boat up to 37 foot more or less and max 150.000€.
Two boats that I really like are the Pershing 37 and the Windy Khamsin 34 or 35. (cannot find one with the D6 370 engines).
The boat is going to be kept at North Aegean Sea and conditions here are usually choppy.
Also I can find a Tornado 11 with new Hyundai seasall 270s engines but really do not know anything about this boat.

I would like to hear your comments positive or negative for the boats above as well as any other recommendations.

Thanks

 

[Portofino]

Itama 38 .
You stand on top of the engines at the helm .With a 22 degree deadrise , balance + shafts it will get you home in the afternoons when it’s “ choppy “ at the same speed as it was calm in the morning run out .

Oh nice pair of CATs V 8s

 

[j24jam]

Hello to all,

just back from holidays with by 33 foot HT rib and already looking to replace it with something a bit bigger.
Looking for a very good handling boat up to 37 foot more or less and max 150.000€.
Two boats that I really like are the Pershing 37 and the Windy Khamsin 34 or 35. (cannot find one with the D6 370 engines).
The boat is going to be kept at North Aegean Sea and conditions here are usually choppy.
Also I can find a Tornado 11 with new Hyundai seasall 270s engines but really do not know anything about this boat.

I would like to hear your comments positive or negative for the boats above as well as any other recommendations.

Thanks

We've had a Khamsim 35 - they are great boats and handle choppy weather with ease.

Would have another one in a heartbeat. We had the D6-370's on DPR drives, went very well.

 

[Meagain]

We have a khamsin 35 with D4-260, what a great boat it’s a proved to be, handles the chop with ease and is just beautiful to drive. Have no desire to change. As first was concerned about lower powered engines, a wasted worry as will happily cruise 30 knots all day which is quick enough, but the hull will easily take the bigger engines and must bring a bigger smile. The bigger surprise was just how useful the few extra inches of swim platform the 35 gives.

 

[[181131]]

Don’t really know the Pershing 37 very well but I am a big fan of the 35 khamsin, my only concern with windys is (based on the ones I’ve sold) that they seem to have issues with osmosis.

 

[DavidJ]

Don’t really know the Pershing 37 very well but I am a big fan of the 35 khamsin, my only concern with windys is (based on the ones I’ve sold) that they seem to have issues with osmosis.

I take it that you have had at least two Windy’s. Interesting that having osmosis problems didn’t put you off buying another one.
I’ve always liked the look of them and very popular in my bit of Spain

 

[julians]

Don’t really know the Pershing 37 very well but I am a big fan of the 35 khamsin, my only concern with windys is (based on the ones I’ve sold) that they seem to have issues with osmosis.

Tell us more about the osmosis issue please.

I got a windy, been in the sea 365 days a year for the last 8 years, no osmosis yet. Family also had a windy, been in the sea 365 days per year since 2007, no osmosis.

Would be interested to hear the details of your osmosis issues.

 

[[181131]]

I take it that you have had at least two Windy’s. Interesting that having osmosis problems didn’t put you off buying another one.
I’ve always liked the look of them and very popular in my bit of Spain

I was Selling the windys on behalf of customers on brokerage so didn’t actually own them. the boats in question were a mirage 25, tornado 31 & 34 khamsin (around 2001-2003 era). They weren’t riddled from bow to stern with osmosis it was mainly at the stern around the engine area where it had popped up on surveys. Admittedly 2 of the boats hadnt been looked after very well in previous ownerships.

 

[julians]

Interesting, you imply that owner neglect was a factor in the osmosis. What should the owners have done to prevent it?

 

[MapisM]

What should the owners have done to prevent it?

I was wondering the same.
"Buy something else" is the only sensible answer to this question, methink!

Not that osmosis is such a big deal nowadays, mind.
There are other reasons why I'd rather have a Pershing 37 anytime.
Not having to deal with VP outdrives being the major one, but not the only.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I have sold three 37s and managed one for over a year. Great boat, spacious engine room, and I did a short cruise (300 nm plus cruise in 2014) got a few choppy situations with one meter wave (nearly all trip was like that) no problems. The only really grip with the shaft Pershing is that they have a turning circle of a ship, but if you can live with that they are great cruising boats. There is a few tricks to improve this...
In a Pershing 37 you have stuff like, emergency engine cocks to pull water from the engine room using the engines, and a fuel decentralizer, and the engine room is actually the best bit of the boat.
This is stuff you find in a very few serious cruising boats, unless it is retro fitted.

A Windy with stern drive will handle like a speed boat, so I think it is not like you can compare these boats. You can compare a Windy Khamsin to a Sunseeker 34 Hawk if you ask me.

 

[[165042]]

Khamsin is similar to a Superhawk 34 only faster, better built and has a full beam cockpit. The interior layout is also much more usable and arguably more stylish. The only practical reason to buy a Superhawk would be for the radar arch.

Pershing 37 is a very different boat and you can count them on one hand in the UK.

 

[MapisM]

I agree that the P37 is different, but I don't think that's the reason why you can find less of them in the UK compared to both the Khamsin and the Sskr.
More likely, the fact that she was more expensive, and most buyers in that segment were unable to appreciate how better she actually was, hence fork out more money for her...

 

[Portofino]

The OP is Med based and has previously hosted compare this with that threads around / under 12 m sports boats .

Look around at what others gravitate to in your cruising grounds as a starting point .

The P37 is a fine boat , the pick of this threads list of 3 .
I looked at them they are narrow beam wise , but the shaft drive CATs early and later Yanmar s make it compelling winner in terms of long term ownership drama, or lack of it .

Windys for all there brilliant hulls and exquisite build are sterndrive and thus imho not as balanced as the P37 .

Not sure of the exact deadrise either .It’s the mid sections that are gonna hit the waves @ speed that count like in the Vid I posted , the trim ( my balance point ) and the weight the crushing ability .
Weight a killer of outright performance, Windys 40:knots etc helps in a head sea chop .
At speed the slower on paper and significantly heavier balanced P37 i think will trump the windy in the afternoon chop returning

Excess pitching launching off waves of a lighter stern weighted boat means the chances of hitting the aft lower deadrise sections are greater .
Not saying the P37 will not get caught , just saying a 1 in 50 bad landing is better than a 1in 10 over an hours or two cruising .
If You want to keep pressing forwards at circa 30 knots ish in a “ chop,”

Or you slow down and start to wallow about , indeed get more wetter and the ride worsens from a sea sick pov for some .Pleasure starts creeps into misery .

Obviously in lake , dead pan calm conditions then the stern drive Windys glide past the inefficiency of the deeper V shaft driven P37 burning 1/2 the fuel to boot .

Depends on what the op really wants from his boat .

Suggest test drive them in the conditions he thinks he will be in .

 

[[165042]]

I agree that the P37 is different, but I don't think that's the reason why you can find less of them in the UK compared to both the Khamsin and the Sskr.
More likely, the fact that she was more expensive, and most buyers in that segment were unable to appreciate how better she actually was, hence fork out more money for her...

Windy made the Grand Mistral in 36 & 37 foot, open and hard top and also the 40' Bora on shafts which arguably are more comparable to the P37. Pershing build isn't great and I would suggest that that and the lack of availability compared to Windy / Sunseeker / Fairline / Princess mean there's very few here.

 

[MapisM]

Pershing build isn't great and I would suggest that that and the lack of availability compared to Windy / Sunseeker / Fairline / Princess mean there's very few here.

I agree that "great" isn't the best adjective to describe Pershing build quality - "above average" is how I would rather qualify it.
But everything in life is relative, and pretty sure it's at least on par with all the other builders you mention, and arguably above some.
There are also differences depending on the timeframe considered (BTW, the 37 was built during some of their better years), but that's for another thread, I reckon.

I agree also on lack of availability being a factor.
Historically, they never invested a lot in the UK, also because they often struggled to keep up with the demand of other larger markets.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Windy made the Grand Mistral in 36 & 37 foot, open and hard top and also the 40' Bora on shafts which arguably are more comparable to the P37. Pershing build isn't great and I would suggest that that and the lack of availability compared to Windy / Sunseeker / Fairline / Princess mean there's very few here.

When Windy switched to sandwich vacuum infusion around 2004 there build quality was not great. With a lot of delamination reports coming in.
I personally saw a Khamsin 35 being repaired a few times; the first had all the engine stringer system go lose few months into ownership, then the boat start to delaminate (fixed in Norway), and then eventually the owner sold it. Pershing starting building with infusion in 1998 and I only saw one (a 20 year old) have a small 1/4 a foot patch delaminate.
I also feel that most of the Pershing (being they build bigger and faster) get a lot of beating which some Windys will never get.
These boats are not running short trips in the Solent.
I sold a 54 to a client some 15 years ago, twin 1300hp version, and a couple months later he did Cala Galera North of Rome to Croatia Dubrovnik in two days, cruise at 35-40 knots.
Then he stayed cruising relax in Croatia before return the boat to its home port in a more relaxed manner.
So yes in some aspects, possibly in many I would rate a Pershing above a Windy, Princess, Fairline, and Sunseeker.

 

[Spyros]

@PowerYachtBlog The 37 Pershings you drove were all with CATs or also with Yanmars? I saw their specs and the Yanmar is a high rev engine but 100kg lighter. Which would be the preferred one supposedly both maintained properly?

 

[Spyros]

About the large turning circle of a ship, would be interesting to know if it is the small rudder surface therefore would need a bigger rudder or the many turns of the steering rom turn to turn that could be fixed by changing the rod attachment angle eliminating turns?

 

[[164147]]

When Windy switched to sandwich vacuum infusion around 2004 there build quality was not great. With a lot of delamination reports coming in.
I personally saw a Khamsin 35 being repaired a few times; the first had all the engine stringer system go lose few months into ownership, then the boat start to delaminate (fixed in Norway), and then eventually the owner sold it. Pershing starting building with infusion in 1998 and I only saw one (a 20 year old) have a small 1/4 a foot patch delaminate.
I also feel that most of the Pershing (being they build bigger and faster) get a lot of beating which some Windys will never get.
These boats are not running short trips in the Solent.
I sold a 54 to a client some 15 years ago, twin 1300hp version, and a couple months later he did Cala Galera North of Rome to Croatia Dubrovnik in two days, cruise at 35-40 knots.
Then he stayed cruising relax in Croatia before return the boat to its home port in a more relaxed manner.
So yes in some aspects, possibly in many I would rate a Pershing above a Windy, Princess, Fairline, and Sunseeker.

Not great but not uncommon when adopting any significant new build process (in any industry) and doesn't define a brand's quality - a few Ferrari 458s catching fire for example?

In addition to layup there's the fit and finish and quality of materials and components throughout the boat which Windy excel at. If there's a weak point it's usually Volvo-related.

I can see the appeal of shafts but I couldn't own a boat with a port helm.