perkins prima = volvo ?????

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hi peeps... did search this but couldn't continue... anyway.....

got a pair of perkins prima turbo diesels... 2 litres direct injection. came out of a pair of montego countryman estates.

anyone know of a marinisation kit for them?

what is the equivilent volvo installation (engine code)?

i had some details but as usual when it came time to actually do something... couldn't find it.

thanks chaps.

steve.
 
Volvo MD22 - of which there were a number of versions. Non turbo, 50HP, mid 90's will be an MD22L of which there was an A and a B version. I have an MD22LA on my boat but know next to nothing about the sister engines. Gives you somewhere to start though?
 
Im looking at fitting diesels to my Dell Quay Ranger and had a few words with lancing marine about the montego turbo engine and they said they no longer do the bits for it, they DO do the non turbo bits but had many problems with the turbo versions. recomended having either the ford 1.8 turbo diesel escort engine or the 1.9 turbo diesel peugeot/citroen one (i think the 2.1 peogeot/citroen is the same block and i am looking at a pair of these (130hp where the 1.9 is 100hp max)
You cannot get water cooled manifold for either the ford or citroen engines and have to wrap the manifold with heat tape, they do make a water injector pipe for the exhaust (after the turbo)
Also have a look here http://www.streamenvironmental.co.uk/marinised_engines.php as they will sell kits for marinising automotive diesels or complete tested units.
 
thanks chaps....

i too spoke to lancings, they said they don't do the kits anymore.

i wouldn't touch ford turbo's in a boat... spent too many hours rebuilding them in cars!

the non turbo xld is a better engine, i'll keep looking tho'. i know there's a kit out there, but i can't remember the supplier.

thanks again.

steve.
 
i looked, but thier site was a little vague.

it's doing my head in... but i know someone makes a heat exchanger/header tank specifically for this motor.
 
Give ASAPs a ring, they are very helpful on the phone.

Failing that, The easiest way to proceed would to use a generic heat exchanger / header tank which you mount on a bulkhead, and link to the engine via the hoses to the thermostat and the water inlet.

EDIT - Have you tried calling a perkins dealer? The surely would supply the heat exhanger they used to marinise the engines. Would be alot cheaper than a volvo one. Just ask for one for the Perkins Prima M80T
 
well done... that's the engine code i was looking for!!!

the MD22 looks the same but of course.... it ain't!

at least now i know what to ask for.

thanks, steve.
 
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Take a look at this list is your engine there? then phone them for a clear explanation
 
Its a page from the asap catalogue.

It looks like they no longer do them though. They now have a new catalog, and they are no longer listed.

I think contacting a perkins dealer may be the best bet. Diperk always provide a good service HERE
 
Re: perkins prima = Volvo TMD22P

Hi Steve
The Volvo version is a TMD22P 78hp @ 4500 rpm. (T=Turbo; MD=Marine Diesel; P=Perkins). Spec Sheet Here .
The Perkins version is M80T.
I've got the Users Handbook for the M80T, if your interested let me know and I'll scan it.
I had an engine from a Turbo Montego which I was going to marinise for my boat, but when I contacted Lancing they had stopped doing the kit. As the season was rapidly approaching I reconditioned my Volvo AQ110 petrol engine and sold the Montego engine. I'd be interested to know how you get on, as I'd still like to fit a turbo diesel.
 
Re: perkins prima = Volvo TMD22P

i'll ring asap tomorrow.

i got a quote for two new heat exchanger/header tanks, but lost the supplier details. they were about 200 quid each.

if all else fails i'll fit a universal exchanger and a separate header tank. i'm not worried about the exhaust as i'll keep the cast one and make an outlet/water injection manifold to suit.

i have a spare non turbo engine if you need one.
 
update... may be of use?

had a good look at suppliers/alternatives...

looks like my choice of engine may not have been as sound as i had first thought!

had a valuable conversation with Mike Bellamy at Lancing Marine...

had some excellent advice from him...

with the Enfield legs, i'd be pushing them to go above the 60/70hp mark.

he advised fitting non turbo engines with the Lancing marinisation kit (prices to follow)

i don't know what the end result will be in terms of cruising speed. but at this point i don't see that i have too many options open to me.

so non turbo's it is. the maximum power available to me is dictated by the drives.

maybe in the future i will look at replacing the old Enfields with more modern legs.... pair of DP's? in conjuntion with more powerful engines... but for the moment the status quo will exist.

thanks to Mike Bellamy for his knowledge, and to the people who replied to the post. if it helps someone make an informed choice BEFORE they start buying things.. then it'll do some good.

steve.
 
Re: update... may be of use?

Oh, pants.

Let me get this right, you have got the turbo montenogo engines? How much is a pair of VP legs? Cheapo second hand ones?

Cant be more that the buggeration factor of having to change engines from turbo to non or change to different engines?

I think, with 60 or 70 hp you might struggle to make her get up on the plane, esp with a bit of weed on the bottom.

Surely would be best to go the whole hog now in one hit?
 
Re: update... may be of use?

hi Ben,

yep got the engines...

the outdrives are old and i'm going to struggle to get the hydraulic rams rebuilt (if required), iv'e also looked at a total refurb... £750 ballpark.

Lancing don't do the turbo heat exchanger anymore.... so once marinised, that's how they will stay. i can get away with removing the exhaust manifold/turbo and replacing with manicooler.

my feelings are that i may well go with the raw water cooled option for now (cheap)... use the boat "as is" and look towards a repower at a later date with better engines and drives.

if i still go with the perkins then i'll look at a generic cooler, and modify the pump to give nearly 100 hp.

a couple of 290 legs should be ok with that....

any idea if the 290's can be counter rotating??

you never know i may end up with a couple of mercruiser 1.7 TDI's, iv'e been told that they can give 150 hp... sounds a little extreme, but i do know that there's a forumite here abouts with one in a fast fisher that achieves about 30 kn. a pair might work well (and i can get them from a couple of old caviliers)

the important thing here was always going to be the structure and fitting out.... with that nearing completion the engineering is just a small problem... if the engine runs it'll drive the boat.... how well it does it is just an aside issue!

cheers for the post mate.

steve.
 
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