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Pugwash81

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Good Evening Chaps,
Just put down a deposit on a Vessel with a Perkins M225TI.
Lowdown is lovely boat and meticulous owner in a very sound condition.

My concern is it has been pottering on the Thames for the last 5 years at 6 kts and wondering if this may have caused any issues with the engine glazing up?

Have started her from cold on 2 separate occasions and started on first couple of compressions with ease, settled down with no apparent blow by and clean exhaust apart from a little blue smoke when gently revved.

Would this ring any alarm bells for you guys? Sale obviously subject to trial, engineers survey and vessel survey. Problem is I won’t be able to open her up to check how marginal the cooling system is?

Any advice or engineer recommendations would be very gratefully recieved?

regards, Matt
 
If you buy it , I have the complete workshop manual on pdf , great engines but check the exh elbows, they are a weak point.
 
We have the 265hp version in our current boat and had the 300hp version in a previous boat. Nice and simple low revving lumps that are easy to maintain with service items being as cheap as chips.

IMHO the bore glazing thing is a bit of an urban myth. Lots of boats chugging up and down rivers with similar engines and in many years of boating I have heard it talked of but never heard of a real life case but the blue smoke is one to ask your engine surveyor to look at.

We have found the cooling system to be marginal so keeping the raw water side clean is sensible but relatively straightforward with a Rydlyme flush.

The engine survey will help in checking that there are no obvious faults and an option might be to negotiate a sum to be held back by the broker until you have had the opportunity to run the boat at speed, assuming you will be moving it to somewhere that you can do this.
 
Greg2 said:
We have the 265hp version in our current boat and had the 300hp version in a previous boat. Nice and simple low revving lumps that are easy to maintain with service items being as cheap as chips.

IMHO the bore glazing thing is a bit of an urban myth. Lots of boats chugging up and down rivers with similar engines and in many years of boating I have heard it talked of but never heard of a real life case but the blue smoke is one to ask your engine surveyor to look at.

We have found the cooling system to be marginal so keeping the raw water side clean is sensible but relatively straightforward with a Rydlyme flush.

The engine survey will help in checking that there are no obvious faults and an option might be to negotiate a sum to be held back by the broker until you have had the opportunity to run the boat at speed, assuming you will be moving it to somewhere that you can do this.
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Much appreciated again, was just a bit of blue smoke when cold when revs raised but cleared up as she got warmer.
I wonder if it’s something the broker would consider holding back a sum before I can run her a bit harder?
Good to hear about your engines and thanks for the pointers!
Cheers
 
I just picked up my new boat last week with twin M265Ti’s. I changed the oil, oil filters, impellers and fuel filters. I did nearly 200 miles in the last 8-9 days including a 97nm trip from Mallorca to Barcelona at 16 knots and the engines never missed a beat. The boat had been tied up in the marina for the last two years bar the surveyors sea trail. The first time I started the engines there was some smoke but after the service and a good run they ran smoke-free and flawlessly. Very happy with the engines in my boat.
 
Dino said:
I just picked up my new boat last week with twin M265Ti’s. I changed the oil, oil filters, impellers and fuel filters. I did nearly 200 miles in the last 8-9 days including a 97nm trip from Mallorca to Barcelona at 16 knots and the engines never missed a beat. The boat had been tied up in the marina for the last two years bar the surveyors sea trail. The first time I started the engines there was some smoke but after the service and a good run they ran smoke-free and flawlessly. Very happy with the engines in my boat.
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That's reassuring to hear and glad you are happy with the engines. Seem to be well thought of and fingers crossed all well with this one too!
will keep posted.
 
Dino said:
I just picked up my new boat last week with twin M265Ti’s. I changed the oil, oil filters, impellers and fuel filters. I did nearly 200 miles in the last 8-9 days including a 97nm trip from Mallorca to Barcelona at 16 knots and the engines never missed a beat. The boat had been tied up in the marina for the last two years bar the surveyors sea trail. The first time I started the engines there was some smoke but after the service and a good run they ran smoke-free and flawlessly. Very happy with the engines in my boat.
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Good to hear that the delivery trip is going well ?
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Greg2 said:
We have the 265hp version in our current boat and had the 300hp version in a previous boat. Nice and simple low revving lumps that are easy to maintain with service items being as cheap as chips.

IMHO the bore glazing thing is a bit of an urban myth. Lots of boats chugging up and down rivers with similar engines and in many years of boating I have heard it talked of but never heard of a real life case but the blue smoke is one to ask your engine surveyor to look at.

We have found the cooling system to be marginal so keeping the raw water side clean is sensible but relatively straightforward with a Rydlyme flush.

The engine survey will help in checking that there are no obvious faults and an option might be to negotiate a sum to be held back by the broker until you have had the opportunity to run the boat at speed, assuming you will be moving it to somewhere that you can do this.
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Not sure it’s a myth, to be fair. More likely that it’s not apparent until the boat (at a later date) finds itself in an environment that results in it becoming apparent or more obvious…that and/or, the ignorance or unawareness of the owner perhaps. It’s certainly something that engines can suffer for sure.
 
Dont forget that there are numerous Massey Ferguson Dealers all round the UK which is where I would normally go for Perkins Parts, they all have Mobile Mechanics who go out to maintain tractors at farms, I often wondered if they would go to a Marina. They also would be more familiar with Perkins engines as a marina based mechanic would probably work on more Volvo engines than Perkins.
 
That’s great, should help with spares availability and costs. Are marinising parts still readily available such as coolers etc?

regards,
 
Also, can anyone recommend anyone for inspection / service in and around Southampton area for the Perkins diesel? I hear members VolvoPaul and Latestarter on here are to notch but unaware how to contact them?
Cheers
 
QBhoy said:
Not sure it’s a myth, to be fair. More likely that it’s not apparent until the boat (at a later date) finds itself in an environment that results in it becoming apparent or more obvious…that and/or, the ignorance or unawareness of the owner perhaps. It’s certainly something that engines can suffer for sure.
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Perhaps but all I can say is that in many years of boating and knowing of many river based boats moving to being sea based I have never heard of a real world problem. I accept that is only anecdotal but I wonder if the risk is more theoretical than a regular reality?
 
Smashing engines. I had a M225ti, then a pair of M265ti, now an M215c.

There's a facebook group I started.

Pugwash81 said:
That’s great, should help with spares availability and costs. Are marinising parts still readily available such as coolers etc?

regards,
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As far as I know everything is available.

Very few secondhand parts as they're proving to be so long lived in service, nobody taking them out.

Pugwash81 said:
Also, can anyone recommend anyone for inspection / service in and around Southampton area for the Perkins diesel? I hear members VolvoPaul and Latestarter on here are to notch but unaware how to contact them?
Cheers
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Christ, don't mention Sabre to Latestarter, his hair will catch fire and steam will come out his ears.
 
There is one thing to keep an eye on, the metal pipe that feeds oil to the turbo, its steel, can tend to rot out under the blanket, then creates quite a big oil leak. So needs inspecting.
 
burgundyben said:
Smashing engines. I had a M225ti, then a pair of M265ti, now an M215c.

There's a facebook group I started.



As far as I know everything is available.

Very few secondhand parts as they're proving to be so long lived in service, nobody taking them out.



Christ, don't mention Sabre to Latestarter, his hair will catch fire and steam will come out his ears.
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Very reassuring, il look up the FB page. How have you found the M215 so far?
 
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