P'd off with Princess.

Hi Henryf,

My Passerelle looks to be very similar to yours. I'm not 100% sure whether mine was fitted pre delivery in La Nap or by Princess at the factory.

Is your Passerelle a factory installation?

Also, I believe you have a crew cabin whereas I have an open lazerette giving a clear line of sight over and behind the generator and in to the steering gear. My passerelle has a huge metal plate attaching the unit to the vertical transom but no such reinforcement under the ram foot.

Does your passerelle have any reinforcement under the RAM foot above your steering gear?

Do you know by any chance if there were different specs when ordering a passerelle from new from Princess? Did you have to specify a tender lift capability?

Sorry for all the questions.

Cheers,

James.
 
Boat2016 said:
Sorry but don’t agree, why do you think he got what he deserves for trusting a professional in an area that he didn’t understand ? that’s why a lot of people trust the so called professionals because they don’t know themselves. As for not wanting teak yourself it doesn’t mean that many others share that view, I personally prefer Flexiteek but don’t have an issue with anyone else who prefers the real thing or even bare GRP.
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Let me put it this way: I always thought that anyone who subscribed Madoff funds got what they deserved.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where if you rely on the "so called professionals" (in your own, rather appropriate, wording) without bothering to understand what they are doing on your behalf and with your own money, these things can and do happen.

You are of course free to think/hope differently - as you are with teak: I did say beforehand that it was my personal opinion, didn't I?
 
J12345T said:
Hi Henryf,

My Passerelle looks to be very similar to yours. I'm not 100% sure whether mine was fitted pre delivery in La Nap or by Princess at the factory.

Is your Passerelle a factory installation?

Also, I believe you have a crew cabin whereas I have an open lazerette giving a clear line of sight over and behind the generator and in to the steering gear. My passerelle has a huge metal plate attaching the unit to the vertical transom but no such reinforcement under the ram foot.

Does your passerelle have any reinforcement under the RAM foot above your steering gear?

Do you know by any chance if there were different specs when ordering a passerelle from new from Princess? Did you have to specify a tender lift capability?

Sorry for all the questions.

Cheers,

James.
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I can’t speak for princess but I have a squadron 58 with a similar paserelle.

The standard fit was circa 200kg. There was an option to goto 350 ( which I have ).

Pre the days of Williams ribs 200 kg was quite sufficient.

There is no viable upgrade path. A guy on the next pontoon had to get a Williams mini as there was no practical way to upgrade it
 
Thanks jrudge,

So I guess the upshot here is that you should be able to lift a 160kg (in my case) tender with a factory/dealer fitted passerelle that is rated for 450kg without breaking the structure of the boat?

Cheers,

James.
 
I’m fitting a passerelle soon (have already paid for it) so I’m very interested in this!
Henry says that, while resting on the swim platform, the ram is attached to the transom. So how can it crush the platform without ripping the transom?
Unless the OP’s boat is attached to the platform and resting against the transom
 
J12345T said:
Hi Henryf,

My Passerelle looks to be very similar to yours.........

Sorry for all the questions.

Cheers,

James.
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As far as I'm aware ours was a factory installation. I would have to take a look regarding reinforcement. The boat linked to earlier in this thread didn't look factory to me. The geometry of the ram close to the hinge looks very inefficient and it's pushing into the middle of a large panel.

What you don't know of course is previous use. Has the previous owner had something heavy like a jet ski on there and then had it bouncing around whilst suspended. Similarly with passerelle at full extension people standing on the end and jumping up and down whilst using as a diving platform or even getting on and off the boat could exert a high point load on the ram foot. Previously weakened by such activity you then finished it off.

I'm not on the boat but next time down there I'll try to take a look for you.

Henry
 
On my somewhat older and smaller Princess it took a day to remove all the structural reinforcing steelwork frame hidden away in the transom to prevent hull damage due to loads from davits..
This was to support a very small inflatable indeed, appeared to be considerably over specced for the job it had to do.
 
This just in from Princess. The passerelle is NOT to be used for loading/unloading equipment ie. a tender. It is only to be used for the embarkation/ disembarkation of people. You can't stand on it, you can't lie on it to sunbathe and you can't fish off it.

So to every single Princess in the med with a passerelle and a tender and NO other way of loading/unloading. You're on your own; at least according to Princess..

Grr.

James.
 
That's beyond a joke.
If anybody at Princess dared putting that in written, just post the content of his/her message here.
I bet that someone else will step in, rather sooner than later, to set that straight.
 
MapisM said:
That's beyond a joke.
If anybody at Princess dared putting that in written, just post the content of his/her message here.
I bet that someone else will step in, rather sooner than later, to set that straight.
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+1000

btw, if one stocky bloke wants to get up his Princess, what does he have to do, fly?
120kg at the tip of the passerelle is more than lifting a 150kg tender with a 20hp motor.
They probably didn't understand your q or an admin person replied?
 
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Definition of passerelle in English:



passerelle
(also passarelle)
NOUN

1Architecture
A footbridge.
2Nautical
A gangplank, a boarding ramp.

So technically correct then, maybe someone from Princess arse covering ?.
 
henryf said:
On our later P50 Mk 3 the ram attaches to the vertical transom wall but lower down closer to the bathing platform compared to the video on the previous page.

This will reduce loading due to the increased distance between the passerelle hinge and the foot of the ram. It also means you are spreading the load a bit more near a stronger right angle section as opposed to the middle of a large panel.

I’m trying to post a picture of our stern from this phone.

Henry
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H, does your manual give a maximum load weight for the passerelle? Seems extraordinary that it's not rated for picking up a tender.
 
andy59 said:
So technically correct then, maybe someone from Princess arse covering ?
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A pretty dangerous arse covering, I reckon.
If that would be their justification of the fact that an OEM passerelle whose plate states a max load of 450Kg destroyed a swim platform while lifting 160Kg, they would have a hard time convincing a court that in EN a passerelle is just a boarding ramp... :ambivalence:
 
petem said:
H, does your manual give a maximum load weight for the passerelle?
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I suspect that even that wouldn't really matter, P.
Let's assume that the manual says max load 100Kg or whatever.
If the passerelle plate (which afaik is mandatory) states 450, and there is no other VERY visible indication of the contrary, 450 it is.
After all, you can't pretend that anyone reads the manual before boarding: what if two guests go on the passerelle together, unknown to the captain, and they fall overboard?
 
Reading this with interest, but surely the max load rating of the passeralle is for its use as a gang plank. So it will support 450kg with one end resting on the dock and other end the main transom mount.
If being used to lift a tender all the load paths will be completely different, so I can easily imagine there is no way it will lift a 160kg tender without breaking something eventually, or am I missing something?
 
MapisM said:
I suspect that even that wouldn't really matter, P.
Let's assume that the manual says max load 100Kg or whatever.
If the passerelle plate (which afaik is mandatory) states 450, and there is no other VERY visible indication of the contrary, 450 it is.
After all, you can't pretend that anyone reads the manual before boarding: what if two guests go on the passerelle together, unknown to the captain, and they fall overboard?
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It would be interesting to know if it did state that on the plate, I assumed he thought it was 450 but certainly seems less sure in post #21.
 
Chris_d said:
Reading this with interest, but surely the max load rating of the passeralle is for its use as a gang plank. So it will support 450kg with one end resting on the dock and other end the main transom mount.
If being used to lift a tender all the load paths will be completely different, so I can easily imagine there is no way it will lift a 160kg tender without breaking something eventually, or am I missing something?
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Whenever I've seen hydraulic passerelles in use, they've never been touching the dock, let alone resting on it. Perfect example of one in use here (1:05 mins in) https://youtu.be/a2eZoMt_jLo
 
Chris_d said:
am I missing something?
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Yup. Most hydraulic passerelle on mobos were designed to be used as cranes for lifting tenders.
Also pretty heavy ones, like jetskis.
The Besenzoni one fitted in my boat (which I think is the same model jrudge has on his Sq58) is rated to lift 350Kg from its tip, and it's attached to the transom accordingly.
Nowadays, I suppose that builders are fitting lighter models, since with hi-lo platform there's no need to lift the tender.
Anyhow, I can't remember to have ever seen an hydraulic passerelle meant to be resting on the dock at its tip anyway, also in boats with hi-lo platforms.
 
ari said:
Whenever I've seen hydraulic passerelles in use, they've never been touching the dock, let alone resting on it. Perfect example of one in use here (1:05 mins in) https://youtu.be/a2eZoMt_jLo
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+1

a hydraulic passerelle resting on the dock would rip something at the next 20cm wake!
you take great care NOT to touch anything with the damn thing.

btw, I'm on the other end of that:
my AIRMAR passerelle is for 350kg or something, it's reasonably securely bolted on the plywood transom of my boat, it's happy lifting a 250kg jetrib but the ram had to be rebuilt and then made again from new material and slightly larger in dia and still leaks...
 
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