PBO project boat

[Judders]

Looks like the best thing for that would be to do the merciful thing and sink it somewhere deep.

Mark my words, they'll get it looking fantastic in the end. Okay so it'll still 'only' be a Snappy 23 at the end of it, but many's the good passage been made in such craft. I'm not sure I'd have one myself but they have a strong following and it wouldnt be bottom of the list.

I think it makes a change from going for day sails on £50,000 lozenges
Dylan

I think PBO have a relatively low (still tens of thousands) upper limit on boats they are allowed to review now, to keep a point of difference from YM etc.

This is why ....

"A boat is something more than an ingenious arrangement of wood, copper and iron. It has a soul, a personality and eccentricities of behavior that are enduring. It becomes part of a person, coloring his whole life with a romance that is unknown to those not connected with the way of boats. The older the boat becomes, the stronger the power. "

Yeah, but some more than others I feel.

 

[dylanwinter]

the choice of boat

well I for one think that they can look pretty good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SNAPDRAGO...0046927?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET

I am sure that they are pretty stiff and sail well

the layout down below is sensible

your could imagine four people sleeping down below

each berth none has a place to stow gear and no-one has to sleep with anyone's feet in their face

the bog is in the right place

the galley is in the wrong place

but under the water .... not form em

having a centre plate and not being able to take the ground means that for my sort of sailing it is neither one thing nor the other


wooden one here

http://www.lettow-hendrich.de/snapdragon23.jpg

as a camerman I think Ben came across really well on the film - he knows a lot about sailing and has lots of energy. He comes from a family with impeccable sailing credentials and is a prolific writer.


Dylan

 

[Judders]

five hacks scraping a boat is a pretty funny idea though

SWMBO is keen to point out that Ben is more of a practical boaty sort who can write than a hack who messes around with boats.

 

[Puggy]

well I for one think that they can look pretty good

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SNAPDRAGO...0046927?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET

But look at the photos. Dirty coffee cups, baby wipes, loose tea bags, half empty water bottles - a study in how to knock 20% off the value of your boat when trying to sell it.

 

[Twister_Ken]

well I will folllow the project with interest

I am not sure I would have chosen that particular boat....

but it will be intersting to see how it turns out

five hacks scraping a boat is a pretty funny idea though

work out the hourly rate for the labour

but I think it is a great project

resurrecting an old engine, electronics, fitting windows, riggings, the bog, electrics

all potentially interesting projects

Dylan

They're sailing journalists. They'll be on a lot less than boat yardies.

 

[Twister_Ken]

I think PBO have a relatively low (still tens of thousands) upper limit on boats they are allowed to review now, to keep a point of difference from YM etc.

Well, PBO's David Harding reviewed the model I have (I know, he thumbed a ride when I test sailed it) and that breached your tens rule.

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

Well, PBO's David Harding reviewed the model I have (I know, he thumbed a ride when I test sailed it) and that breached your tens rule.

Clearly it is a habit on his. He did my nearly new Rustler 36 as well.

 

[dylanwinter]

here is a choice

Clearly it is a habit on his. He did my nearly new Rustler 36 as well.

you are a sailing hack.... would you rather spend a day sailing a Rustler 36

valued at......no idea

or scraping congealed bird poop out of a horrible old boat

hacks are human too

Dylan

 

[Judders]

Well, PBO's David Harding reviewed the model I have (I know, he thumbed a ride when I test sailed it) and that breached your tens rule.

Interesting, maybe my contact there has got the wrong end of the stick and it's only HIM who is not allowed to review expensive boats; yeah that would figure actually. •smirk

 

[dylanwinter]

I agree

They're sailing journalists. They'll be on a lot less than boat yardies.

most of the specialist hacks I have enountered have been enthusiats who can write to a dealine.

I think that like most sailors they are prepared to pile into the practical stuff

Dylan

 

[Fire99]

Well it appears PBO's project boat and mine are somewhat emotionally linked.. I have a Snapdragon 23 but mine is the fixed triple-keel version and when I visited her on friday, her tarp had torn and was half hanging off and she was half full of water.

Mine is being treated to a new cockpit floor, well transom etc.

I know PBO have gone far further than me with theirs so far. (Stripping everything and lots of cutting), but this is the true spirit of PBO.

There was a time that people would do up what would appear a complete wreck, and be chuffed to bits that they'd got on the water.

One of PBO's best features for some time, in my opinion.

Nik

 

[William_H]

Thanks

Hi Dylan
I enjoyed the photos and video. I must say I am one who loves boats and would be sore tempted to buy that boat just for the joy of doing it up. (especially at the price) But of course a huge a mount of work. Especially engine windows and keel replacement.
It is a testament to fibreglass boats however. The hull is as good as ever.
Anyway tomorrow is the day to drag my own boat home for another winter. I will be satisfied fixing little things and generally cleaning it up as I have done for the last 30 winters. It is quite enjoyable with the boat outside the shed and many months to do a few jobs. I have usually done most things in the first few weeks.
Anyway good luck to the PBO team I hope it all turns into good reading olewill

 

[dylanwinter]

bringing a boat home

Hi Dylan
I enjoyed the photos and video. I must say I am one who loves boats and would be sore tempted to buy that boat just for the joy of doing it up. (especially at the price) But of course a huge a mount of work. Especially engine windows and keel replacement.
It is a testament to fibreglass boats however. The hull is as good as ever.
Anyway tomorrow is the day to drag my own boat home for another winter. I will be satisfied fixing little things and generally cleaning it up as I have done for the last 30 winters. It is quite enjoyable with the boat outside the shed and many months to do a few jobs. I have usually done most things in the first few weeks.
Anyway good luck to the PBO team I hope it all turns into good reading olewill

Having just bought a trailer sailor I had forgotten how wonderful it is to be able to bring the boat home to work on

I spent a very happy couple of hours poodling with the boat today - attempting to work out how to rig it, what I am going to do to the gally area

Dylan

 

[Billows]

DIY on the boat...pleasure
DIY in the home...torture

One for the psychologists

 

[dylanwinter]

the secret

DIY on the boat...pleasure
DIY in the home...torture

One for the psychologists

the thing is that when it is the boat you are working to your own deadlines and can walk away from it at the end of the day and return to a nice house for a lovely bath

but when you are working on the house then you are living with the mess and also working to a deadline set by another person - whoever she may be

I keep on looking at the boat the hacks have taken on......

blimey.

 

[Croak]

I think my new boat is as bad... I'm not worried....I have no money and there is just the one of me... No special deals to try out.

So I will have to subscribe again and try and keep up with them.

 

[Razorfish]

DIY on the boat...pleasure
DIY in the home...torture

One for the psychologists

So true...I was caught cleaning fenders yesterday, with the CIF I'd bought especially.

I am now on bathroom duties.

Actually I am baffled as to why I bothered, never felt the need before, think I'm having some sort of mid-life crises. It'll be fender socks next.

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

DIY on the boat...pleasure
DIY in the home...torture

One for the psychologists

You just wont get a three bedroomed tarraced or detached onto the water without coastal errosion.

 

[Ben Dockrell 22]

Well it appears PBO's project boat and mine are somewhat emotionally linked.. I have a Snapdragon 23 but mine is the fixed triple-keel version and when I visited her on friday, her tarp had torn and was half hanging off and she was half full of water.

Mine is being treated to a new cockpit floor, well transom etc.

I know PBO have gone far further than me with theirs so far. (Stripping everything and lots of cutting), but this is the true spirit of PBO.

There was a time that people would do up what would appear a complete wreck, and be chuffed to bits that they'd got on the water.

One of PBO's best features for some time, in my opinion.

Nik

One of my choices i actually made bids on was a snapdragon 23, as said by others they do have a very good following,they are well respected

 

[dylanwinter]

how much to strip

Well it appears PBO's project boat and mine are somewhat emotionally linked.. I have a Snapdragon 23 but mine is the fixed triple-keel version and when I visited her on friday, her tarp had torn and was half hanging off and she was half full of water.

Mine is being treated to a new cockpit floor, well transom etc.

I know PBO have gone far further than me with theirs so far. (Stripping everything and lots of cutting), but this is the true spirit of PBO.

There was a time that people would do up what would appear a complete wreck, and be chuffed to bits that they'd got on the water.

One of PBO's best features for some time, in my opinion.

Nik

They really have stripped it back to a shell - which is admirable I think.

I am not sure everyone would have gone that far back - and you do occasionally get ebay projects advertised where some-one has done exactly the same thing.

I noticed that in one of the pictures on the PBO website it looked as though they had transported the centre plate on the trailer held on with string. I am sure it was better done than that.

It is amazing the difference between the well fettled boat in the images I posted at the top of this thread and the boat I saw in that yard.

It will be really intersting to see the accounts as they unravel

I assume that financially this is a non-starter - especially as PBO will be footing quite a big wage bill for the hacks

Dylan