PBO 'Learning from Experience' article

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PBO \'Learning from Experience\' article

What a howler is this months PBO ‘Learning from Experience’ article.

The 31ft yacht is entering Fowey at night in good conditions. Aboard are a husband and wife (owners). We are led to understand that the husband is usually the skipper but they are also carrying an ‘RYA instructor’ to give them ‘own boat tuition’. The RYA instructor does not give his explanation of events.

They see ship lights ahead in the port but the Instructor suggests they are probably just turning around.

They end up cutting behind the stern of the pilot cutter and across the bow of a ship in the narrow channel. They were that close, that a voice from the bridge wing yells down, ‘Have you got a f…..g death wish?’

The article ends with ‘Lessons Learned.’

I’m simply amazed that no one knew that commercial ports use vhf channels other than 16 and vts will advise of ship movements.

Radar – switch it on. Duuuh.

Who is skipper? (the owner overruled the Instructor at the critical moment)

Lesson 5 is a classic. ‘avoid passing between a pilot boat and a ship’

6 talks about colregs and oncoming vessels turn to stbd. Yet Port by-laws apply, and will give ships priority over yachts.

I’m not sure that any lessons have been learned. I’m not sure of the Instructors fitness to instruct. I hope RYA get hold of their Instructor and ask for an explanation.
 
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I expect the main lesson learned is that they won't bally well be doing that again in a hurry....
 
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The artical just doesn't hang together, only seeing the large vessel at 20 meters in good visability I dont think so. So I take it all with a pound or so of salt probably as an article written for the sake of it. It certainly doesn't bear proof reading (PBO). However if the instructor cares to own up and tell his version I will take my comments back but again I don't think that will happen.
 
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The artical just doesn't hang together, only seeing the large vessel at 20 meters in good visability

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Plus all the big ships seem to make a sound signal going out - and make a lot of noise. Lacks credibility to think they failed to notice it until it was 20m away. (Indeed, did it and the pilot vessel not give 5 blasts?)
 
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This probably why we all prefer YM to read/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Have'nt read it, but In that area I only use CH16 and in good vis I can't see how radar helps, In good vis. all that's required is a bit of commonsense and awareness
 
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I think the explanation is that they plain don't know about port communications as they complain that no one attempted to contact them.

Don't ask me how an instructor cannot know that. Perhaps he's bogus?
 
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I think the explanation is that they plain don't know about port communications as they complain that no one attempted to contact them.

Don't ask me how an instructor cannot know that. Perhaps he's bogus?

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IMHO if their learning was that the VHF should have been tuned to Port Communications and that was the root of the problem, then they've still got a lot to learn!!!!
 
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My last word on it as its annoying and at best been written some time after the event with lots of things remembered and confused to say the least.

How the F*** do you not see a pilot vessel and the china clay cargo vessel behind it in good visability regardless of night the answer is that they probably did, pressed on and found that things were becoming uncomfortably close panicked made a mess of it and are trying to justify their incompetance as well as the instructors.

VHF, Radar and any other instrument would make no difference to the outcome what they were doing in the conditions they describe requires an understanding of the entrance they had been in before and had a chart so no problem there then and the mark one eyeball to assist in the pilotage and a bit of common sense which they did not use otherwise they would have turned around at or before punch rock when the vessel was at least 500 yards away. If they had not sailed at night befor and this was their first night entrance into a port (good choice) their instructor should have been fully aware of the situation and taken control in a more decisive fashion. As I have said previously it doesn't quite hang together and if it truely reflects what happened the instructor wants shooting and the couple need to look at the lessons learned and think about how they could have avoided getting into the position in the first place. A close quarters meeting in a restricted entrance with a large vessel restricted in its ability to manouver is not the time or place to be thinking about radio contact.
 
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I think the explanation is that they plain don't know about port communications

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Therefore they are licensed and too thick to live, or unlicensed!

But yet, radio would have been f-all use here if they were so monumentally stupid as to be in that position...
 
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Right. That wraps up that one nicely. Next challenge for the wise, knowledgeable, searingly honest, disarmingly incisive Scuttlebut intellect?
 
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