PATIO MAGIC and use on wood - now forbidden

[sarabande]

In the middle of a discussion with Brintons, who make Patio Magic and similar products, the MD dropped a bit of a bombshell.

"Because of various stupidities within the new EC Biocidal Product Regulations, neither of the products [Patio Magic and MMCPro }, nor any similar biocides, may now be used on timber surfaces."


I am trying to get chapter and verse on this.

 

[Davy_S]

erm, how would they know?

 

[maby]

Time to buy several gallons of concentrate?

 

[VicS]

I wonder if the same stupidity applies to Boracol........ sold specifically for wood treatment.

 

[Carmel2]

I hate my dyslexic some days, and some days it brings a smile! I read this as Potato magic.....

 

[pvb]

I wonder if the same stupidity applies to Boracol........ sold specifically for wood treatment.

The HSE has been carrying out consultations this year on the use of boron-based wood treatments.

 

[paddywackcocker]

I hate my dyslexic some days, and some days it brings a smile! I read this as Potato magic.....

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Don't know what happened there, was serposed to post, pishing me self emojis but doesn't work.
Still thought it was funny

 

[pvb]

In the middle of a discussion with Brintons, who make Patio Magic and similar products, the MD dropped a bit of a bombshell.

"Because of various stupidities within the new EC Biocidal Product Regulations, neither of the products [Patio Magic and MMCPro }, nor any similar biocides, may now be used on timber surfaces."


I am trying to get chapter and verse on this.

I think it may be an EU Commission decision, issued by someone called Jean-Claude Juncker. See https://www.helpdesk-biocides.fr/fi..._2016_1950_eu_non_approval_susbtances_bpr.pdf

If I've interpreted it correctly, it looks like benzalkonium chloride (the active ingredient in Patio Magic) has been banned from lots of types of products.

 

[wotayottie]

In the middle of a discussion with Brintons, who make Patio Magic and similar products, the MD dropped a bit of a bombshell.

"Because of various stupidities within the new EC Biocidal Product Regulations, neither of the products [Patio Magic and MMCPro }, nor any similar biocides, may now be used on timber surfaces."


I am trying to get chapter and verse on this.

Why bother - you wont alter the regs. Just ignore them and use it.

 

[GrahamHR]

Time to buy several gallons of concentrate?

I took this action many years ago when sodium chlorate, a very efffective total weed (plant) killer was banned due to EU regulations. Not saying I have any left now, to even possess it is illegal as far as I can ascertain!

 

[ashtead]

If it proves to be illegal for teak decks presumably fine for others or is a total usage ban?

 

[biscuit]

Graham, it's H&S gone mad isn't it....try Semtex instead, it has similar properties but is a bit more potent.

 

[ianj99]

Do you mean Semtex the H&S?

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Blow the mould to kingdom come is one way I suppose.

The question though, why are they banning it? Is there some cumulative health issue picked up from the wood treated with this I wonder. The paper referenced above does not even explain why.

Maybe the Lizards need the bugs on mould.

 

[ghostlymoron]

Why bother - you wont alter the regs. Just ignore them and use it.

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[maby]

Blow the mould to kingdom come is one way I suppose.

The question though, why are they banning it? Is there some cumulative health issue picked up from the wood treated with this I wonder. The paper referenced above does not even explain why.

Maybe the Lizards need the bugs on mould.

It is pretty terrible for marine life. I'm not clear why they would ban it for its intended purpose of treating wood and concrete on shore. It is certainly not nerve gas - the active ingredient is used in a variety of medications as a preservative - admittedly at rather lower concentrations.

 

[Heckler]

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Exactly, and anyway why should we take note of an alledged heavy imbiber, former head of a State smaller than my home town! Anyway soon be 2019!
Stu

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Perhaps treating timber with the product and then later sanding it might be problematic.
With reference to the sodium chlorate and Semtex mentioned above; the former is capable of being used as a bomb ingredient, that's why it was banned, forcing the IRA to obtain supplies of the latter instead.

 

[zoidberg]

With reference to the sodium chlorate...... the former is capable of being used as a bomb ingredient, that's why it was banned....

Oh, yus. The venerable 'Co-op', for it was obtainable in large volumes from farmers' co-operatives. And diesel. And a few other things. Who'da thunk 'The Anarchists Cookbook' would crop up here...?

 

[Hydrozoan]

... The question though, why are they banning it? Is there some cumulative health issue ...

... the active ingredient is used in a variety of medications as a preservative ...

I emphasize that (a) I do not know if it is related to the OP or that EU link and (b) I’m not a biochemist or microbiologist, but I do know there is concern about development of resistance to Quaternary Ammonium Compounds and other antimicrobials and about the development of co- and cross-resistance between them and antibiotics and disinfectants. Given evidence of that, the importance of disinfection, and the threat of antibiotic resistance to human health, it does not surprise me that our growing use of antimicrobials generally, in many areas of life, is coming under increased scrutiny and control.