Searush
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Except that the suggestion is that you must do it before leaving the berth - whatever the trip.
Passage plans: what is best practice?
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Except that the suggestion is that you must do it before leaving the berth - whatever the trip.
alant
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Don't forget to brief the crew, in regard to the plan.
Also a good idea to 'appoint' a back-up 'skipper', should you become any sort of casualty.
claymore
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Well, of course you must - Dorus Mor is more of a wall of water than a gate once it gets going. I think I may have missed your point....?
Searush
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Oh never mind, you mentioned "passages" & I was trying to say that some seem to expect a written plan for pottering across the bay for a picnic.
I do understand about The Big Door, I have sailed it & also deal with the Swellies (& other local races & tide gates) on a regular basis. So far I have mostly managed to avoid the dreaded "sailing backwards" scenario.
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And you are all forgetting what the UKBA have in store for leisure sailors:
" . . . . . . In the future, owners and operators of leisure craft will also need to provide passenger and crew information in advance, under our e-Borders requirements for carriers and ports. We expect that this requirement will come into force in 2011. We are liaising with the Royal Yachting Association to ensure that the general boating community is represented in the e-Borders process. . . . . "
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/customs-travel/customs/pleasurecraft/
It will come, it will come!
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" . . . . . . In the future, owners and operators of leisure craft will also need to provide passenger and crew information in advance, under our e-Borders requirements for carriers and ports. We expect that this requirement will come into force in 2011. We are liaising with the Royal Yachting Association to ensure that the general boating community is represented in the e-Borders process. . . . . "
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/customs-travel/customs/pleasurecraft/
It will come, it will come!
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mcframe
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Clear Needles or Bembridge, then steer 180 until you smell the garlic.
Return is of course, steer 000 until you smell the rosbif, then shape course for Needles or Bembridge, etc.
alant
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Ah, but since the IoW is one of the main producers of garlic in Europe, including exports to France, this would nicely get you all the way up to Newport on a foggy day!
jimi
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Para and I had a similar trip ealier this year to Belfast from Falmouth.
Our passage plan was to catch the tide round the Lizard and keep going.
Ports of Refuge were identified as Milford Haven and Dun Loaghaire keep to the left of the smalls and head North.
Key area of concern was ensuring the weather was'nt going to bite us, so we delayed departure by 36 hours to let seas state subside after a 72 hour F6+westerly blow.
Our passage plan was to catch the tide round the Lizard and keep going.
Ports of Refuge were identified as Milford Haven and Dun Loaghaire keep to the left of the smalls and head North.
Key area of concern was ensuring the weather was'nt going to bite us, so we delayed departure by 36 hours to let seas state subside after a 72 hour F6+westerly blow.
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haydude
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A passage plan redacted in advance at the desk can have only milestones with headings, primary ports and secondary ports of call, taking into account max fuel consumption. It will call out for dangers and possibly plot WZ notifications on the planned route and the vicinity of it. The advance passage plan might include also the list of provisions necessary for the crew during the passage, practically the shopping list for water, food and anything else.
Times and dates do not really make sense, if not to calculate best and worst case scenarios and likely total passage or leg times.
Real passage times and headings will be determined by weather, assessed and updated day by day.
Times and dates do not really make sense, if not to calculate best and worst case scenarios and likely total passage or leg times.
Real passage times and headings will be determined by weather, assessed and updated day by day.
claymore
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Real passage times and headings will be determined by weather, assessed and updated day by day.
And Tides surely?
And Tides surely?
claymore
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And Tides?
alant
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Presumably, the tides (times & other data) on any particular day, will be the same, regardless of when you produce your passage plan. In fact, you can plan a summer passage in the middle of January.
jdc
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discursive text versus forms
There seem to be two camps about the style of the plan: a discursive one which is basically a set of 'thoughts' versus a form based approach with facts, usually solely numbers.
There are arguments for both, and I guess people use whichever works for them, but I definitely favor the discursive one for a number of reasons, but mostly because it's a plan. It can, and will probably, be modified in the light of actual conditions, but it is a plan.
I don't view a lot of pre-tabulation of data from Reeds the same way: if that's all it is then all one's saving is 10 minutes with Reeds, which, when I'm not feeling seasick, I'm happy to do underway. To be more than this it needs some dependencies on the numbers, like "set off at 5am to get round the Lizard" or "need to average between 4 and 5.5 kts for this section, so turn motor on if speed falls below 4kts"... It also leaves out the what ifs, like "if the wind's horribly strong we'll skulk in the Scillies". I guess that everyone who does just tabulate facts like tidal gate times has the dependencies implicit and/or in his head.
In principle I agree, but actually having done the Falmouth - Scotland trip, and back, a number of times I've found remarkable consistency in passage times. It's nearly always been 70 hours Falmouth to Troon or Gigha (this may be because the wind has always been from dead ahead!) Years ago when I had a Sadler 29 I used to do Pin Mill to Dartmouth every summer, and it was always 52 hours.
There seem to be two camps about the style of the plan: a discursive one which is basically a set of 'thoughts' versus a form based approach with facts, usually solely numbers.
There are arguments for both, and I guess people use whichever works for them, but I definitely favor the discursive one for a number of reasons, but mostly because it's a plan. It can, and will probably, be modified in the light of actual conditions, but it is a plan.
I don't view a lot of pre-tabulation of data from Reeds the same way: if that's all it is then all one's saving is 10 minutes with Reeds, which, when I'm not feeling seasick, I'm happy to do underway. To be more than this it needs some dependencies on the numbers, like "set off at 5am to get round the Lizard" or "need to average between 4 and 5.5 kts for this section, so turn motor on if speed falls below 4kts"... It also leaves out the what ifs, like "if the wind's horribly strong we'll skulk in the Scillies". I guess that everyone who does just tabulate facts like tidal gate times has the dependencies implicit and/or in his head.
In principle I agree, but actually having done the Falmouth - Scotland trip, and back, a number of times I've found remarkable consistency in passage times. It's nearly always been 70 hours Falmouth to Troon or Gigha (this may be because the wind has always been from dead ahead!) Years ago when I had a Sadler 29 I used to do Pin Mill to Dartmouth every summer, and it was always 52 hours.
claymore
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Presumably, the tides (times & other data) on any particular day, will be the same, regardless of when you produce your passage plan. In fact, you can plan a summer passage in the middle of January.
Of course - funny thing, tunnel vision.
mcframe
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Ah, but since the IoW is one of the main producers of garlic in Europe, including exports to France, this would nicely get you all the way up to Newport on a foggy day!
That's why I said clear Needles or Bembridge first!
Anyway, Newport is quite nice - one of my passage plans meant that I ran aground (on a rising tide, bilge keeler, mud, all part of the plan) 20 feet from the council pontoon 25 mins before sunset
