Passage Planning

[Dave_Knowles]

Re: What a mess

Robin,

Policing may help stop things like the 5 idots on jetskies going over the wake of a tanker trying to leave port down Southampton Water about nine months ago. All we heard on the VHF was the tug captain saying they would have to stop for it was too dangerous to carry on.

<font color=red> "Doesn't work with the 10kt speed limit in Poole Harbour! Would we have a points system too? Poole's Mobos would soon be thin on the ground, sorry water.
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Why doesn't it work? It works at Cowes where the hoabourmaster soon slows you down if you go over the speed limit.
I keep to speed limits were they exist not because I am trying to be good but because I believe they are there for a reason. The bonus is both my friends and myself probably enjoy the trip more up the Beaulieu River for we have time to take in the things around us.

<font color=red> "There are no rules re lifejackets in dinghies to police. Commonsense may certainly suggest it is a good idea, voluntary training may do the same. But Mr Plod on his waterbike with soggy notebook I think not." </font color=red>

Maybe there should be rules as common sense does not seem to work if you see how many people do not wear them.


<font color=red> "Licencing followed by policing - time to leave I think!" </font color=red>

I am a litlle surprised you think your enjoyment would be curtailed if there was a bit more policing. Unfortunately human beings often have trouble policing theirseves especially when the rules are vague and open to interpretation.

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Dave

Dave Knowles
Southampton - UK

http://www.MyCleopatra.co.uk

 

[richardandtracy]

Re: What a mess

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Licencing followed by policing - time to leave I think!
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I rather agree. One of the things I really enjoy about being on the water is the freedom to make my own mistakes and learn from them without risk of a jail sentence for every little thing that goes wrong. It's this freedom that's so lacking on land at the moment. People need the room to be sensible, stupid or whatever they feel like at that time. At least on the water the arbiter of what's ok follows Darwinian principals, rather than ones from an increasing level of control freakery. I like the concept of 'Survival of the least stupid'.

Going off at a bit of a tangent, it reminds me of all the kerfuffle about fireworks going on. I heard an interview with a junior Home Office Minister saying that legislation will be introduced to control the illegal fireworks being used.
What?!?
If they're illegal, why more legislation? Why not enforce what's there? More legislation will be punative on those who obey, and irrelevant to those who don't - just like the ban on UK hand guns; more people have been shot per year with hand guns since the ban than before it was introduced.
Smart thinkers our politicians. Ho Hum.

Regards

Richard.


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[Robin]

Re: What a mess

Sorry Dave, I think we are miles apart in thinking.

The 5 idiots on Jetskis will be idiots whatever, that is a prime requirement to buying one of the things in the first place, especially considering what they cost. In any case I am sure there is already some existing law that could be invoked in that case. As for policing it how? With Plods on Jetskis giving chase? (that happens in Poole but we still have a problem) or by cameras recording their 'LICENCE' Number - requires compulsory REGISTRATION of course - nice litle earner. Of course we will need a new Govt Dept to administer it and collect the monies...

I do not routinely wear a lifejacket either on the boat or in the dinghy, in fact I cannot remember when I last did. I have no objection to others who might wish to though, either on their boat, my boat or in a dinghy. Who pray would police a 'must have lifejacket law'? At what age would this be optional, 10, 15, 21? - of course we would need ID cards to prove age. At what size does a 'small' dinghy become big enough NOT to require said lifejackets? 10ft?, 15ft RIB? 41ft Yacht? Will we also have weather limits? OK it's above F2 so lifejackets are compulsory, or above F4 and only RIBs or Rigid tenders allowed (with lifejackets), Above F5 no one may leave the harbour????? Mobos to have seatbelts on the Flybridge?

I see loads of prats on the roads every day, all of whom (presumably) have a licence and we DO have a policing system for motorists.

Miles apart but close together when it comes to enjoying being afloat! :0)

Robin







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[Dave_Knowles]

Re: What a mess

Ok Robin lets leave it there, although maybe we are not that far apart. It's been a good discussion.

Enjoy your boating I shall.



<hr width=100% size=1>Take care.

Dave

Dave Knowles
Southampton - UK

http://www.MyCleopatra.co.uk

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Read it again

That was my point. would not stand a chance in court

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[Robin]

Re: What a mess

OK truce it is!

You are right though, we are agreed on what constitutes stupidty, and only disagree on how to tackle it.

Hmm it's nice here this afternoon, I think it might be time to go get a new printer cartridge. I'm sure there's one on the boat somewhere...........

Robin

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[TheBoatman]

Re: YOU certainly DO need a plan!!!

Wally
I was not going to embarrass Brendan by mentioning the N.Sea bit, but it also intrigued me too.

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[TheBoatman]

Brendan
Sorry mate was not picking on you, more admitting the fact that I'm generally a lazy bugger and very often don't bother with a log<s> and that also extends (quite illegally) to the radio log as well.


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[TheBoatman]

Thanks one and all

Thankyou to all that posted a reply.

From the posts, I think that I will continue on as before as it seems to me that I'm not far off with what I have been doing these past years.

To answer my own question, so to speak, this is what I do/take into account.

1. Boat is well found
2. Crew is experienced
3. Trip is one undertaken many times

Boat has:
1. DGPS chart Plotter complete with route WP's
2. Up to date paper charts
3. General navigating paraphenalia (parallel rules/pencils/almanac/tidal atlas/A4 pad etc)
4. Enough stores/diesel/water for the trip.
5. Ships clock/barometer
5. VHF radio

What I do:
1. Check HW time to give me ETD off the berth
2. Check weather forecast
3. On A4 pad scribble HW time/forecast/ barometer reading
4. Contact Thames CG with safety traffic when I leave the R.Medway with boat name/call sign/ ETA destination/crew number and where my GC66 is lodged.
5. At finish of trip contact Dover CG with safe arrival info and shutdown of station.

I would do this for every trip irrepective of starting point or destination. The only thing that changes is which CG station(s) I call.

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[charles_reed]

Can\'t see the obfuscation

Here's a simple passage plan I used last month


Leg From To Dist nm Bearing Winds Estimate Time Actual Time Dist actual Dates
1. Stintino P Bonifacio P 50 057° NW, N or W 10 hrs 12 54 12 Sept
2. Bonifacio P Solenzara P 43 012° SE, W or S 9 hrs 12 63 16 Sept
3. Solenzara P Bastia P 52 020° “ “ “ 11 hrs 18 Sept
4. Bastia P Portoferraio A/P 52 078° S, N or W 11 hrs 21 Sept
5. Portoferraio Castiglione P 34 023° S, E or W 7 hrs 25 Sept
6. Castiglione P Viareggio P 30 320° S, E or W 6 26 Sept



Leg From To Dist nm Bearing Winds Estimate Time Actual Time Dist actual Dates
1. Viareggio Menton 120 268° E, N or S 24 hrs 13/14 Oct
2. Menton Port Gallice Antibes 25 Var “ “ “ 5 32 137 14 Oct
3. Port GalliceAntibes Hyeres 80 250° “ “ “ 16 10 50 19 Oct
4. Bormes-les-Mimose Hyeres/ Toulon 25 20-23 Oct
5. ToulonHyeres Argelés 135143 240°257° Anything but SW 27 23/25 Oct

Flight from Girona on 5th November so latest to Argeles 3rd. Gives 7 days leeway.


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