Part 1, SSR or Nothing ?

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What are the practical advantages/ disavantages of registration under Merchant Ships & Yachts on Part 1 of the Register?
Registration costs £124 and needs a certificate (which cost £150) from one of their approved surveyors confirming particulars which they already have are correct plus I suspect £30 to record an engine change.
So what do I get for £304 that is of real use besides a certificate (which, if like the previous one it states "This Certificate is not proof of ownership")
Perhaps the SSR is the answer, but do I really need anything to gently cruise in UK waters and make the odd trip to southern Ireland - after all I own the boat and have the bill of sale ( witnessed AND in the original ) -there isn`t a morgage and I don`t want one - I don`t even want to smuggle guns, people or dope - in fact what I`d really like is these bureaucrats to stay out of my Lazaret. Am I in with a chance ? VITALBA
 
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Fine until you want to sell the boat. At that point Part One registration seems to add at lest its cost to the sale price.

If like me you don't plan to sell the boat and have all the documentation, you can just let the part one registry lapse until you either decide to take her foreign or sell her.
 
You will need to be on one of the registers if you are going to Ireland (or anywhere outside the UK)

Suggest you go on the RYA site in the section on taking your boat abroad and it will will tell you exactly what you need.
 
Tranona said:
You will need to be on one of the registers if you are going to Ireland (or anywhere outside the UK)

Suggest you go on the RYA site in the section on taking your boat abroad and it will will tell you exactly what you need.
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This is rubbish, you need nowt if going to Ireland Or IOM or Scotland. Or nowt if going to France, only if going up some riveres in France do you need a licence. Then you need an ICC, which roughly say's that you can drive a boat up river without hitting bank to bank.
 
hlb said:
This is rubbish, you need nowt if going to Ireland Or IOM or Scotland. Or nowt if going to France, only if going up some riveres in France do you need a licence. Then you need an ICC, which roughly say's that you can drive a boat up river without hitting bank to bank.
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I didnt know that, was always under the impression that your vessel needed to be registered when visiting france.
 
hlb said:
This is rubbish, you need nowt if going to Ireland Or IOM or Scotland. Or nowt if going to France, only if going up some riveres in France do you need a licence. Then you need an ICC, which roughly say's that you can drive a boat up river without hitting bank to bank.
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Haydn

Please read the question! The OP is asking about registration for his boat, not a licence for himself!

He has been given the best advice which is to contact the RYA - then he won't be subject to useless advice from others on here.
 
hlb said:
This is rubbish, you need nowt if going to Ireland Or IOM or Scotland. Or nowt if going to France, only if going up some riveres in France do you need a licence. Then you need an ICC, which roughly say's that you can drive a boat up river without hitting bank to bank.
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If I remember correctly the SSR was originally introduced to stop the French from making money out of the fines they imposed on unregistered British yachts. You do not need registration in UK waters but may be asked to prove the vessels nationality in any other country. Without proof of British registration you could be forced to comply with local taxation and equipment rules - could be a serious financial problem in France, the Irish seem much more laid back.

I entered the Irish Republic two years back so called Malin Head Coastguard, told them where I was anchored, my last port and that I had just entered Irish waters. They thanked me and told me to contact them if there was anything they could do to help.

Part 1 registration is the closest you can get to a title deed for a boat as financial interests (such as mortgages and joint ownership) can be entered on the register. If the boat has it, its probably worth keeping it up.

Hope this helps.
 
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Haydn

Please read the question! The OP is asking about registration for his boat, not a licence for himself!

He has been given the best advice which is to contact the RYA - then he won't be subject to useless advice from others on here.
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So which is the 'useless rubbish from others on here' ?

P.S, srm seems to have answered this in the last 2 minutes
 
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reginaldon said:
So which is the 'useless rubbish from others on here' ?

P.S, srm seems to have answered this in the last 2 minutes
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All of this (apart from the personal experience) is very clearly explained on the RYA website.

Just about every time this subject (or anything related to documentation) comes up you get half baked responses, or irrelevant responses such as Haydns.

BTW the SSR was nothing to do with trying to reduce French fines. It was a by product of the UN Convention which sought to regularise documentation for shipping (among other issues) and the French Govts concern that there was no formal requirement for British yachts to be registered, so making it difficult for them to claim that they were subject to UK requirements. The UK government agreed to introduce a simplified system for yachts (as the then shipping register which we know as Part 1 was complex and expensive). Somewhere I have a copy of the Hansard report of the minister's statement to Parliament agreeing to the French government's request. The outcome of these negotiations was the SSR.

So, although there is no reason for people should not ask the questions here, the definitive answers can be found on the RYA site and also the MCA site for registration issues. Surely better to go to the definitive source.
 
SSR benefit

Not forgetting that the SSR no.displayed is also of benefit to the Coastguard so that if someones close enough to read it,and there's no radio contact,they can tell which 'Sea Spray' is involved,who the owners are (maybe oblivious to a drifting vessel) and what their phone no. is.
 
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