Part 1 Registry / SSR

[z1ppy]

Morning,

The boat we are buying is currently on Part 1 registered in the UK. This of course is good for us as confirms no finance on the boat.

We have clear proof of ownership, proof of VAT paid status and we will buy without finance going forward. its had two owners from new and all original build certs and paperwork are on hand. (we are buying from a broker who also works direct for the factory on other matters)

For a boat of this type i am not convinced that spending the money to get Part 1 registered for us is worth it. thinking we are better putting it on the SSR for the few occasions we are going to venture cross channel (or tow to med) assume this would be ok?

we will obviously need to display SSR number on the transom in the required font / size but thats not the end of the world....

have i missed anything obvious here?

 

[Imperial One]

Z1ppy,
A part one allows for finance to be registered against the boat. You say "This of course is good for us as confirms no finance on the boat."
If you have not already seen it, make sure the broker shows you an up to date transcript of the register showing if any finance is outstanding or if it is clear of any such liens.
He will have done this as part of his service.
If there is finance, he will discharge this from payment for the boat.
If it is already on the part one and is still current, you can apply to have it changed to your name after purchase or you can of course close the Part one and put her on SSR as you suggest..
Hope this clarifies things for you.

 

[Tranona]

Sensible to retain the Part 1 registration. Very little saving in switching to SSR and you will be breaking the documented title. When you come to sell the buyer will be looking for just the same thing as you - evidence that there is no charge against the boat which you will be eable to show. He may also want finance which will be easier if it is Part 1.

 

[kcrane]

Sensible to retain the Part 1 registration. Very little saving in switching to SSR and you will be breaking the documented title. When you come to sell the buyer will be looking for just the same thing as you - evidence that there is no charge against the boat which you will be eable to show. He may also want finance which will be easier if it is Part 1.

+1 - when I bought the V48 it was on Pt1 and I've retained that. It was straightforward and I've just renewed, again easy enough.

The Rodman wasn't on any register and I've put it on SSR, just in case we go cross-channel as apparently they like a laminated card or two over there.

 

[z1ppy]

ok, thanks everyone, i thought the part 1 registry was between the vessel and current owner, can this be transferred to us as new owner. (sorry, i havent time to search myself just at the moment)

 

[RIN]

You can transfer it - last time I did that it was £60 iirc. Have just bought a boat with lapsed part 1 and have just registered it on part 3 (Small Ships Register) for £25. Be aware that neither of these are proof that there is no mortgage or other financial interest on your boat

 

[Imperial One]

You can search on a part one registration for any charges against the boat.
Thus it is easy to see if there is a registered charge like a mortgage.
Not possible with SSR though.

 

[jfm]

Yup the hassle of p1 is getting it not keeping it. Keep it!

 

[z1ppy]

Thanks all but need to change vessel name. I assume this would be a new application under part 1?

 

[Firefly625]

Thanks all but need to change vessel name. I assume this would be a new application under part 1?

I know on SSR when I changed ownership the lady asking if we wanted to change the name, seemed an easy amendment. But maybe very different for pt1?

 

[RIN]

Iirc the Part 1 name has to be unique (even if you qualify it by adding the registry port to the name) so when you change the name you have to give three options in case the one you want is already taken. Of course it is over 10 years since we did this so things might have improved

 

[jfm]

Thanks all but need to change vessel name. I assume this would be a new application under part 1?

No, you just fill in a change of name form and pay a tiny fee. Dead easy. Form is PDFs on website. You fill it in and snail mail it to Cardiff. Of course, many names are taken and you must choose a unique one

 

[Imperial One]

It is simple to change a name at the same time as transferring the ownership.
If the name you want has been taken simply add the name of a port to it such as "Flossy' or "Flossy of Southampton".
Whenever you are on the VHF you will simply refer to the boat as "Flossy" anyway.
If buying through a broker a good one will probably offer to assist you in all of this as part of his customer service.
I dont think we are unique in this respect:friendly_wink:

 

[Prhperio]

IMHO best to keep on Part 1 as others have said, more difficult to get back on Part 1 later than to keep and who knows what a subsequent owner might want. We bought a new (to us) boat October 13 and although paid outright, kept the Part 1. I've just looked back at the charges which may of course be slightly different now (but I imagine will be a a fairly good guide). We paid £80 to re-register in our names and £37 to change the name so that the previous owners could keep it for their next boat. Small change IMHO relative the costs of buying a boat and good peace of mind for the future. It does only last 5 years now though and you only get a laminated piece of A4 not that nice Blue Book

It's very easy to do and when I had to ring the register recently the lady on the phone was very pleasant and helpful.

 

[Nick_H]

Iirc the Part 1 name has to be unique (even if you qualify it by adding the registry port to the name) so when you change the name you have to give three options in case the one you want is already taken. Of course it is over 10 years since we did this so things might have improved

Not quite right, you can add "of Southampton" or suchlike to a name that is already in use, but you then need to add the port of registry as well, though many apply some artistic licence to how it's shown on the boat, or just miss out the "of Southampton" all together.

This VHF radio site is of some use for checking whether names are available, a "g" in the end columns denotes a UK registered vessel. I think it includes boats that are only SSR registered though, so there's some guesswork involved by looking at the ships particulars and trying to work out whether it will be on Pt 1 or not. However, if you enter the name and search, and find there are no boats with a "g" against them, it's almost certain that the name is available on Pt 1.

http://www.itu.int/online/mms/mars/ship_search.sh

 

[RIN]

Not quite right, you can add "of Southampton" or suchlike to a name that is already in use, but you then need to add the port of registry as well, though many apply some artistic licence to how it's shown on the boat, or just miss out the "of Southampton" all together.

This VHF radio site is of some use for checking whether names are available, a "g" in the end columns denotes a UK registered vessel. I think it includes boats that are only SSR registered though, so there's some guesswork involved by looking at the ships particulars and trying to work out whether it will be on Pt 1 or not. However, if you enter the name and search, and find there are no boats with a "g" against them, it's almost certain that the name is available on Pt 1.

http://www.itu.int/online/mms/mars/ship_search.sh

I thought that's what I said (even if it was in brackets)

 

[Nick_H]

I thought that's what I said (even if it was in brackets)

Ah right, I misunderstood your post then. I thought you were saying that even if you add "of Southampton" to the name, that wouldn't be accepted (and it seems we both know it would )

 

[Mistroma]

Name change is easy as already mentioned but there can be problems with the name you choose. Obviously not something offensive (racist, swearing etc.) and not MyBoat II, III etc. (unless you already own MyBoat and it's registered in your name).

Last one caught us out when we renamed our new boat and it was rejected on grounds we had already sold the old one and therefore had no right to use the same name with II at the end.

One annoying part of the process is that you can't phone or email to ask if a particular name is available. You just put a 1st, 2nd etc. choice and they work down the list. I was told they'd refund the money if none of the names were available. So it is a matter of finding names you like, putting them in order and keeping fingers crossed.

 

[Imperial One]

Not actually accurate, you can telephone them (MCA) and they are normally very helpful.
If you get a really helpful person they may also email you then you have their address for response.
Otherwise, call them on 029 0 448800 and listen to the menu (yes, I hate them too!!) and take the relevant option and you will always get through to someone.
It is easy to ask advice and also if a name is available, if it is they will "reserve" it for you pending receipt of your application.
I have just done this for a client.

 

[Mistroma]

Not actually accurate, you can telephone them (MCA) and they are normally very helpful.
If you get a really helpful person they may also email you then you have their address for response.
Otherwise, call them on 029 0 448800 and listen to the menu (yes, I hate them too!!) and take the relevant option and you will always get through to someone.
It is easy to ask advice and also if a name is available, if it is they will "reserve" it for you pending receipt of your application.
I have just done this for a client.

Not for me, I tried 3 times and was always told that they could not tell me if a name was available before sending in the application form. I simply asked if a particular name was available and was told that I could only find out by sending in the completed form. Absolutely refused to look up anything when I was on the phone. After my old boat's reg. had expired I thought I might be able to revert to that name, no chance of finding if it was available without actually applying. I then left it for more than 6 months in case they wanted to give new owner a chance to renew if he'd forgotten. Same result, it may be that I was just unlucky each time I called.