Pan declared - loss of steering

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So yesterday was interesting. We left the Lerins (near Cannes) at about 9 to head back to Beaulieu. Forecast was 8kts easterly and 20-30 cm waves. So we were expecting a very nice run back.

Leaving the Lerins it was quickly clear the the forecast was garbage and that there was F4 eastern and 1m of generally E swell, but in all honesty the waves We’re all over the place with no real pattern. So doable, but not the milk run we had planned.

I drove the boat out of the anchorage amid then engaged the autopilot as it would do a better job hold the course. About 1/3rd of the way we spoke about diverting to Antibes and my wife hoping off and I would take the boat back alone. In the end she suggested we head towards the shore to see if we got some shelter. Speed had reduced from 18kts to 16 by now and seas getting more messy, autopilot was beginning to struggle. So I disengaged the autopilot to hand steer. It was at this point I discovered the helm was not responding. My boat is on stern drives DPH. So back to autopilot reduce speed to 6 kts and start to discuss options. Turning back was discounted as the seas were very uncomfortable. Heading towards shore put the waves on the beam and agin not much fun, so we changed our intent to head to Nice.

At this stage I alerted St Jean radio station on 16 via a pan of what was going on. Pan acknowledged and then a brief discussion over the phone about options. I didn’t feel the need for assistance at this stage, but wanted the French authorities to be aware of our troubles.

15 mins later the autopilot is just waving around and can’t hold a course. I now call for assistance. Options discussed with the authorities and told to stand by. Life jackets put on. We are dead in the water.

My fault finding leads to hydraulic fluid loss and I have some, but it is in the engine room and we need to lift the sun pad to get at it. We lift the sun pad which waves around on its jack, but I get the fluid and replenish the steering at the helm. Not enough to fill it, but enough to get us underway.

Steering is regained. I call back the French authorities and state that I have regained steering and will continue to Nice. No need for assistance, but I will call if the situation changes.

After 30 mins we get to Nice port. I call all stations I spoke to and thank them and let them know I am safe and that Pan is down declared.

So that’s my story. What would you have done differently and please don’t t tell me you wouldn’t have a boat on outdrives!
 
Sounds like you did the right thing., and a real pain that the weather wasn't better - why do these things always happen with sh!tty weather?

Was the leak a slow one or catastrophic failure?

If you suffer from a fluid loss with out drives, does the torque push the drives hard over?
 
well done,

had the same happening to me once (autopilot motor to magnifold screws slackened, all oil in the bilge...) but being on shafts it was just a mater of playing with the throttles and going back to port...
Is there a way to lock drives to straight ahead? would be a nice thing to have if something happens again. And definitely have a couple of lt of ATF oil onboard!

V.
 
So yesterday was interesting. We left the Lerins (near Cannes) at about 9 to head back to Beaulieu. Forecast was 8kts easterly and 20-30 cm waves. So we were expecting a very nice run back.

Leaving the Lerins it was quickly clear the the forecast was garbage and that there was F4 eastern and 1m of generally E swell, but in all honesty the waves We’re all over the place with no real pattern. So doable, but not the milk run we had planned.

I drove the boat out of the anchorage amid then engaged the autopilot as it would do a better job hold the course. About 1/3rd of the way we spoke about diverting to Antibes and my wife hoping off and I would take the boat back alone. In the end she suggested we head towards the shore to see if we got some shelter. Speed had reduced from 18kts to 16 by now and seas getting more messy, autopilot was beginning to struggle. So I disengaged the autopilot to hand steer. It was at this point I discovered the helm was not responding. My boat is on stern drives DPH. So back to autopilot reduce speed to 6 kts and start to discuss options. Turning back was discounted as the seas were very uncomfortable. Heading towards shore put the waves on the beam and agin not much fun, so we changed our intent to head to Nice.

At this stage I alerted St Jean radio station on 16 via a pan of what was going on. Pan acknowledged and then a brief discussion over the phone about options. I didn’t feel the need for assistance at this stage, but wanted the French authorities to be aware of our troubles.

15 mins later the autopilot is just waving around and can’t hold a course. I now call for assistance. Options discussed with the authorities and told to stand by. Life jackets put on. We are dead in the water.

My fault finding leads to hydraulic fluid loss and I have some, but it is in the engine room and we need to lift the sun pad to get at it. We lift the sun pad which waves around on its jack, but I get the fluid and replenish the steering at the helm. Not enough to fill it, but enough to get us underway.

Steering is regained. I call back the French authorities and state that I have regained steering and will continue to Nice. No need for assistance, but I will call if the situation changes.

After 30 mins we get to Nice port. I call all stations I spoke to and thank them and let them know I am safe and that Pan is down declared.

So that’s my story. What would you have done differently and please don’t t tell me you wouldn’t have a boat on outdrives!
I think you did the correct thing all the way through. Was it a fast leak or slow leak of fluid? I suppose slow as you got in. You carried spare fluid kept the authorities informed and did the right thing. Good seamanship all round sir!
In hindsight you should have bought a yacht with a keel hung rudder with a tiller. I am awfully biased about that.
 
We are in perfect harmony. Last weekend in August the exact same thing happened to me when the reservoir took a tumble off it's peg in heavy seas. We continued on throttle only and didnt do a PAN call as I felt it unnecessary and still had control of the vessel via throttle steering and tbh the response time for them to get to me should things go really pear shaped would be less than 20 minutes as we were the only boat in the water anyway.

here, see second vid for coming through the overfalls with a following sea on throttle only

Bucket Wars - The playoffs
 
Very good should with the Pan Pan. I would have done the same. You kept them informed, didnt panic, found a solution and got back. And if you hadn't you would have help at hand. Never fun in a big sea with no steering. Job well done.
 
I cant speak for the OP but where as I can steer by cable alone it is not responsive enough to work in rough water. e.g. it takes about 10 seconds to go from centre position to half lock because it's not how much force you can apply but how fast the ram will "bleed" without pump input. Throttle steering becomes more effective
 
Exactly the same happened to us last autumn.
Half way across from mainland Spain to Ibiza
Hydraulic leak - kept topping it up but it was looking like I didn't have enough top up oil to get to Ibiza.
After topping it up for the fifth time, I was down in the lazerette where the steering pump and unit are located and the engines changed tone.
Oh - not another problem - went through my mind.
But it turned out to be SWMBO learning how to drive the boat on the engines without the rudders.
Unlike you, we have shafts and there is quite good control using the throttles - maybe you could have done the same.

When we arrived in San Miguel Ibiza anchorage, we found a nice sandy patch and dropped the anchor.
The following morning, I was on the phone to Bryn at Sleipners to get some advice.
The leak turned out to be a faulty pressure switch that stops the pump when the rudders go full over (full lock).
So, we jury rigged it by sealing the pressure switch port and continued with our cruise.
Back home, Bryn sold me a new pump (ours is quite old) and a replacement pressure switch.
All back working like new again now.
 
Not as effective as shafts but twin outdrives are quite responsive to throttle steer although you do need to give them more welly than in a marina. Taking one drive to 2000 rpm while the other is in neutral was more than enough to stop the beginning of a broach in a following sea.
 
We had a similar problem about 15 years ago, except we lost one engine and all steering, the drives swivelled round to full lock.

I used a combination of the bow thruster and the remaining engine to get us to a point of safety then flagged down a passing small speedboat and asked if they would tow us home (we were only a few miles away when the issue occurred).

It wasn't a major drama, got back safely but with the bow thruster and one engine with its drive pointing full starboard I could only go either full starboard or vaguely straight with a bit of a tendancy to turn to starboard, and then not for very long because the bow thruster wouldnt run for that long.

Had another problem once(unrelated to the above) where the bow thruster decided to just stay stuck on full starboardjust as we were reversing into the berth. That was fun!
 
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Not as effective as shafts but twin outdrives are quite responsive to throttle steer although you do need to give them more welly than in a marina. Taking one drive to 2000 rpm while the other is in neutral was more than enough to stop the beginning of a broach in a following sea.

Not sure this works with hydraulic steering - if enough fluid is lost, they just flop from one side to the other.
 
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