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To those that know of my current peril, Im looking at buying a boat as a gift for my father for the med and a likely trans atlantic jaunt and I dont really know much. (Please, we have already done the " You should let him choose his own" thing and I most likely will. Im just researching cos Im interested.

So how much are surveys then? And how much equipment can I expect their to be on a boat I buy second hand?

So far I have seen a dufour 35 1973 for £30k
An 11m 1968 Moody Halbadier for £40K
A 10m Beneteau Oceanis 321 1995 for £40k
A 10m Legend340 1995 for £35K
A 10m Jeaunnea Melody 1982 for £33K

Plenty Westerlys, Moodys and Bavarias.

Am I geting warm? All from Peters Opal.
 
Why only Peters Opal ??

Buy Boat For Sale (over £10,000) .... look through Yacht Mag classifieds .... Boats and Outboards ...... Boatshed UK ..... (you can google these names as well ..... they will bring up web-sites ...)
 
You can expect there to be plenty of equipment, though in all but the rarest boats it will be a miss-match and a hotch-potch. Finding the right boat, at the right price, with the right spec all in the right condidition....

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Only Peters and Opal so far as I have to go out and have no time for more searching.

Mr Malthouse, I WILL FIND THAT BOAT!!!!

But thankyou,
 
Not the right stuff yet

go for higher asking prices, bigger boats, and beat them down. The 35k wil listen to 28 and so on.

Praps one problem with buying the thing as a present is that you won't reach just at/above your means it has to be comfy rathe than a squeeze and you may not feel the need to haggle- it's for someone else. But Dad is depending on you!

Poster "stingo" has an 86ish benteau 380 ish for 42 grand, probly accept 40. Er, except it's in tobago...

You haven't taken Mum along have you? C'mon it's gotta be 36 foot+ ...

Surveys around £few hundred but they are like house surveryors, might find summink mite not. Find a fender kicker friend but mum still the best arbiter i think...
 
Thanks tcm,

I have seen Stingo's boat. By his account it needs a bit of work which I wasnt really up for.

With regards to sizes, I believe Im well aware (I may be wrong) but this takes in to account bowsprits and things hanging off the stern. Therefore, a difference of a foot here or there is negligable?? As long as it feels comfortable inside.

And oilyrag, a housefull of girls IS tempting but you really dont want me knocking around your house. Dad is gonna be happy to get the boat so he doesnt have to see me on a daily basis!
 
Buying a boat is no problem,buying and finding the right boat takes time and patience.
Do not go off picture or listen to salesmen,it's your money,look at every boat in detail.
Negotiation is an art, but with cash available I agree with others to look hard,on a say a 35k boat asking price I would not expect to part with no more than 30k cash!
Yes get a survey, but get a good surveyor and ask around for a recomendation if possible.
You appear to be looking at all sorts of boats, pick no more than two boat makes which you like most and learn all about them so you know what to look for.
Take time it's your money and the wrong boat could cost your father a lot of time and money if you get it wrong so it would spoil the treat!.
Good luck
 
The Dufour at £30k seems high.

Sold one last year for €35k. ie. 22ish sterling

Friend bought one in Scotland less than 20 sterling.

That said, they are excellent boats, very forgiving and safe.

An old HR 352 would be a good choice depending on budget plenty to be had for around £60ish. (no mine is not for sale)

Holland is good spot for used boats, better condition and extras than here or UK.

Good Luck.
 
Just for my two pence worth I would be looking at boats from the following yards/designers subject to budget.

HR, Rival, Rustler, Moody, Nicholson, Van de stadt, bruce roberts (but generaly ugly IMHO), swan, she, valiant, and don't rule out some amerian designs. Or one off's - but you really need to know what our looking at with these...

With the risk of starting world war III most of the above are suitable for serious cruising and designed for that rather than sipping G&T's in a Marina - which is also good fun - horses for courses.....
 
On ancasters website http://www.ancasta.co.uk they have a nice Nic 38 Ref No 20470 for £50k.

Also a oyster 41 Ref No20486 also at £50k which needs some finishing. I am sure that all these prices are not fixed. Depending upon how many people your father will be sailing with across the atlantic I would go as big as possible, if this requires you to choose an older boat, just make sure the survey is a good one. It is amazing how quickly you can fill a boat up wuth gear on a transatlantic, also bigger boat should be quicker crossing time.
 
I bought my 1974 Dufour 34 with new (400hrs) Yanmar 3HM35F, new (but awful) sails, Navico Corus instruments, Mostro Hypalon inflatable, Sterling alt. regulator etc. for 11k £. Ok, it was 2001, and a very friendly price, but asking price was no more than 22k£. In Greece though...

I would go for an HR if I could but I would also haggle really hard! The difference may be several thousand. Is your time so precious and expensive?
 
Ah, you missed out Oyster, queen of the seas and a great voyaging boat. I happily lived aboard one for 10 years in great comfort, and never regretted paying double the price compared to a modern lightweight.

1988 Oyster 405 available during the last year for prices from £75,000 to £100,000, which gives a good idea of the differences (25%) arising from precise inventory fit and condition of the boat. And don't forget the VAT not paid element for some vessels . . .
 
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Ah, you missed out Oyster, queen of the seas and a great voyaging boat

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And what about the very best of all: the indestructable Nicholsons.
Do have a look at the 31-32-35 and 38, should be within the budget and offers a lot of safety and easy motion


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You do not say where you are located.But if you have senn Peters I assume South Coast.Have a look at all the brokers along the coast.Some of the boats you mention are reasonably priced but they are quite old,so there will probably be lots of extra expenses.Draw up a list of what your dad will want from his boat Is it cockpit space,saloon space,sleeping arrangements,sailing qualities,how many crew etc etc.
 
WOW!

So many possibles..So little knowledge....

Thanks for all your help windlovers.

I shall investigate all the above mentioned boats (apart from the ones that were double my humble budget)

Nicholsons are in favour at the moment but they do seem to be old and Im unsure if thats a sensible thing or not. I suppose the survey is the important thing there.

Im south coast but I certainly dont mind a travel if its worth a look.

Im thinking that a decent cockpit big enough for lunch for 2 is essential. A saloon sensibly big enough but not needing to be huge. 2 cabins so guests can stay (with all the junk living in the second cabin living in the rubber duck for a bit!) and a really safe and sensible boat. No racing necassary. Oh yeah, an automatic lottery winning numbers machine too would be nice.

Thanks,
 
Go to the very top right hand corner of this page and click on Boats for Sale. Then find the Brokerage option. You can search for any boats in the world based on certain criteria, like age, price, location, size etc. Then you can choose to look at the details of each one, including piccies

You might not find anything suitable, but it is a very good method of research without having to leave your armchair to make a phone call.

When you have narrowed it down a bit, you should go and look at quite a few of them, and take Dad with you as much as possible.
 
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