Lozzer
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I am trying to figure out why people continue to bash Oyster. I have had previous conversations with the same old people on here and all they want to do is mock. So why? That is a rhetorical question by the way.
Oyster Yachts gone into administration
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I am trying to figure out why people continue to bash Oyster. I have had previous conversations with the same old people on here and all they want to do is mock. So why? That is a rhetorical question by the way.
dom
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But are people really bashing Oyster? I personally don't see that. There's some sharp criticism for sure.
But the context is a forum where some peeps are besotted by, and others take violently against every floating object -- from a rowing boat on Hyde Park Pond to the QE2!
[70521]
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I know, I have several close friends who have worked for the company over the last 20 years so fully appreciate that it is a roller coaster ride.
On the visits I've had to the yard have always been impressed with the quality of the product.
Tranona
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In some ways. However, we just about managed to get acceptable quality cylinders, but with a high scrappage rate which effectively limited our output in the times when demand exceeded supply (did not last long!). I am probably one of only 3 or 4 people still alive who knows how to straighten crankshafts just by feel and sound! Once you got them straight and put them in the engine they stayed that way for the life of the engine provided nobody messed with them.
Zing
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Utter rubbish. Maybe ten marinas or Monaco marina. You seem to have no idea how hard it is and how much work goes into building a brand like Oyster and the substantial business it is. It is a big accomplishment. Why would a person downplay their success so harshly? As serious as the Polina mistake was, they don’t deserve to be destroyed by it.
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Bathdave
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It seems to me that the heart of the issue is that they don't seem to be able to win their claim against the moulder in an acceptable time fram.
I have been surprised at some of the vitriol and snideness about Oyster from some in this thread
Given the strength of the order book, it doesn't seem that the Polina matter has damaged the brand too much..clearly major mistakes in the design and build of the 825 but it translate this to the whole brand and product range is a step that their customers have chosen NOT to make unlike some contributors to the thread.
I accept the premise that the further delays in the arbitration between the insurers involved over the claim against the moulder caused the funding gap
I have been surprised at some of the vitriol and snideness about Oyster from some in this thread
Given the strength of the order book, it doesn't seem that the Polina matter has damaged the brand too much..clearly major mistakes in the design and build of the 825 but it translate this to the whole brand and product range is a step that their customers have chosen NOT to make unlike some contributors to the thread.
I accept the premise that the further delays in the arbitration between the insurers involved over the claim against the moulder caused the funding gap
pvb
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The company Oyster made a £7.2 million claim against is Bridgland Moulders, based in Norfolk. Their premises can be seen in this Google screengrab...
pvb
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I didn't think Oyster actually owned any premises, isn't everything leased? Of course, the owners might still sell for housing one day.
pvb
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The £80+ million "order book" may look rather different today. I can't imagine that anyone who'd ordered wouldn't have cancelled by now if their boat hadn't actually been moulded. If, as seems likely, the company was put into administration to avoid the consequences of a claim against it resulting from the sinking of the Polina Star, that sends a rather negative message to the market and it would seem unavoidable that potential boat buyers would look elsewhere. That's a shame, as Oyster had a great brand image, fuelled by lots of skilful PR, and regaining it will be a long hard slog.
Lozzer
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Pvb are you a disgruntled ex-employe or owner? All you ever post is negativity about Oyster it is unbelievable. I have explained my interest perhaps you might do the same...
Funny thing is I have spoken to a few owners and skippers and they aren't negative at all. They are all hopeful of a positive resolution.
Also we are still in the present, Oyster has a great brand image, albeit somewhat tarnished right now but people will forgive. It has happened with other UK manufacturers. I guess time will be the judge as always.
Funny thing is I have spoken to a few owners and skippers and they aren't negative at all. They are all hopeful of a positive resolution.
Also we are still in the present, Oyster has a great brand image, albeit somewhat tarnished right now but people will forgive. It has happened with other UK manufacturers. I guess time will be the judge as always.
pvb
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Not negative at all, just observations, as others have posted. On the contrary, virtually every post you make accuses others of jealousy, smuggishness, contempt, etc. It was exactly the same on the thread a couple of years ago about the Polina Star, when a number of people pulled you up for your comments. Perhaps what you don't understand is that this is a public forum, in which everyone is entitled to express their views; if you don't agree with their views, you don't have an automatic right to accuse them.
Lozzer
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I do understand that this is a public forum and accept people have opinions however when people are misleading I will point it out. My opinions are based on FACTS not sure I can say the same for the negative people on said forum.
By the way will you please show the quotes where I have accused people fo being smug and contemptuous. You might be searching for sometime.
I think I asked about your interest in the Polina Star thread and you didnt answer then.
Looking forward to seeing an interesting post from you that is factual.
pvb
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If I didn't answer then, it's probably because I didn't make a single post in that thread. Now that's both interesting and factual.
Check the thread - http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ILURE-What-Really-Happened-to-Polina-Star-III
SO40
Active Member
Lozzer and pvb: I am really not interested in reading about your little quible. Do this in PM´s or go to a pub. It is getting boring.
pandroid
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+1
pvb
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I'd really prefer that Losser stopped making false accusations about me, but are you suggesting I have no right to reply on a public forum?
dom
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Many posters are argumentative, a small subset constructively so — forum Columbos if you like.
pvb is amongst this latter category, and he provides a ton of accurate, helpful and of course free information, to a motley band of forumites on here — me very much included.
If they didn’t turn stones over, follow the evidence, and occasionally frustrate folks; well they’d just be another peep with a view. And who’d be the loser if that happened? Oops that would be us :ambivalence:
pvb is amongst this latter category, and he provides a ton of accurate, helpful and of course free information, to a motley band of forumites on here — me very much included.
If they didn’t turn stones over, follow the evidence, and occasionally frustrate folks; well they’d just be another peep with a view. And who’d be the loser if that happened? Oops that would be us :ambivalence:
Kurrawong_Kid
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But you have still not said whether you have any professional, commercial or other financial interest behind your posts, which Losser has. I have had a 1984 Oyster Heritage for the last 10 years, with which I have been very satisfied, but so would have also been with a Moody, Wauquiez, Westerly, Najad etc. or any s/h boat I could afford. Like many others I am disheartened that another UK company has gone under. When I take my car to be serviced I pass premises with Sealine embedded in the brickwork; now used by someone else not making boats!
pvb
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For the avoidance of doubt I can confirm that I have no professional, commercial or other financial interest in anything related to Oyster.
Okeanos
New Member
Oyster will go in the hall of fame like many European boatbuilder before. Remember on Najad, Malö or Swedenyachts from Scandinavia or the topnotch Dutch Yards like Jongert, Holland Yachtbouw, Nordia van Dam or the Aluminium-Trintellas.
But Oyster will be the weakling in this succession. Compared to the finish and the entire craftmanship with the named yards , Oysteryachts have been all the time behind them in respect of Quality and none of them has ever
lost a keel.........
But Oyster will be the weakling in this succession. Compared to the finish and the entire craftmanship with the named yards , Oysteryachts have been all the time behind them in respect of Quality and none of them has ever
lost a keel.........