Opening an Oil Pail without Damage

[ducked]

Yes your right but I suppose you an be beyond the pail in the sense that your outside the bucket?

Claimed to be a reference to the movable stakes used as a local pallisade positional defense for lightly armed English archers against cavalry, when on ops in France. Thats in Europe.

So if you were :beyond the pale you were on dodgy ground, and at risk of kicking the bucket. This then got extended to mean socially excluded (越軌的，出格的；無法接受的)

 

[ducked]

We didn't know, and you didn't tell us, that you are buying your oil in Delhi.

First image google found. The actual pail in question, naturally enough, is in Taiwan, as am I, but The Wide World is My Oxter.

The actual pail is also green, not orange

 

[ducked]

In Europe we are used to buying oil in bottles up to 5 litres and plastic drums for 25L. Open toped wide mouthed pails or buckets is totally unheard of except for emulsion paints and the like for the diy market. However they work as I suggested in my last post the perforated sealing strip is disposable and they are opened by pushing up the lid usually with your thumbs or in Boubas case with an angle grinder. The lid should snap back over the ridge by pressing from above around the rim.

Well, ye ken noo,
with a picture as a clue,
what more could I do?

There are more things in heaven and earth than there are in your (former) Eurobucket...

Though TBH I slightly doubt that the pails are unknown in Yurrap in an Industrial context, (though they may well be at the Terry and June/Halfords/BnQ consumer level). since I dont remember any particular feeling of surprise on seeing them here when I arrived a long time ago. Seen them all over SE Asia and in car stuff stores at the consumer level in Australia. USA dont remember. I'll keep an eye out for them when/if I get back to Scotland.

On reflection, though, that form of packaging does seem slightly surprising, since it must be, at least in theory, a bit less secure and more space consuming than a cuboid jug, and its main purpose would seem to be to give you a more useful container for re-purposing, unusually ultruistic for a manufacturer.

If they really are unobtanium in the Yook thats very mildly annoying, since they are quite useful.

 

[ducked]

In short we don't have a clue because in Europe oil is NOT supplied in pails........... but cans or larger quantities in drums (metal) with a handy screw top for easy pouring.

Cans? That;d be very unusual, surely? I can recall Halfords Classic 20W50 in a nice, retro can (Comma re-label I THINK) from a visit last year but that niche marketing seemed about it below the 55 gal drum.

 

[NormanS]

It's quite difficult to understand your enthusiasm for oil being sold in "pails"' when you can't even find a way to open them.

 

[Mister E]

It's quite difficult to understand your enthusiasm for oil being sold in "pails"' when you can't even find a way to open them.

Seen as a pail is also a bucket then that would be easier to open.

 

[ducked]

My AI says "Yes, lubricating oil is commonly retailed in pails in Europe. Pails are a standard packaging size for various lubricants, including those used in automotive and industrial applications." giving these examples (though the second one is empty)

Enviro-Lube, Yellow/Cefas E approved compound for jacking systems and open gears

innopackaging.en.made-in-china.com/product/IXrJHKcMkZVN/China-20L-Screw-Top-Lid-Plastic-Bucket-Pail-for-Oil-and-Lubricant-Oil.html


So it probably isn't true (because AI)

Pity

 

[Freebee]

The worst thing about the pail of oil is pouring from it. imagine trying to fill your rocker box from a pail its just not going to happen and that is the reason we don't have it - market forces - we would not buy something that spills the oil everywhere or requires pouring from the pail to a jug to fill.

 

[Freebee]

enviro lub is a grease not a lub oil and probably does come in pails in europe but not commonly bought for DIY

 

[ducked]

enviro lub is a grease not a lub oil and probably does come in pails in europe but not commonly bought for DIY

I said nothing about DIY.

I said pails were for supply at bigger-than-punter volumes (20L or so) and my example was an anti-wear hydraulic oil, which isnt likely DIY either.

There is no DIY in Taiwan.

 

[ducked]

The worst thing about the pail of oil is pouring from it. imagine trying to fill your rocker box from a pail its just not going to happen and that is the reason we don't have it - market forces - we would not buy something that spills the oil everywhere or requires pouring from the pail to a jug to fill.

They usually have a pull out spout in the lid which is usable as long as it doesn't split. As this is industrial packaging consumer acceptability is less of a factor

 

[NormanS]

They usually have a pull out spout in the lid which is usable as long as it doesn't split. As this is industrial packaging consumer acceptability is less of a factor

Well, there's your answer. Use the pull out spout until you've used all the oil. Once the "pail" is empty, and if you want to use the container for another purpose, I'm sure you'll find a way of getting the top off.

 

[ducked]

Well, there's your answer. Use the pull out spout until you've used all the oil. Once the "pail" is empty, and if you want to use the container for another purpose, I'm sure you'll find a way of getting the top off.

Well, The Answer (You can't) was in my edit to post 1, done shortly after posting when I came back inside for a cup of tea, having given up trying to retain the sealing strip, and corroborated by Fr J Hacket in post 12 or so

This, three pages on, seems to be The Bicker

Long legs!

 

[KevinV]

Claimed to be a reference to the movable stakes used as a local pallisade positional defense for lightly armed English archers against cavalry, when on ops in France. Thats in Europe.

So if you were :beyond the pale you were on dodgy ground, and at risk of kicking the bucket. This then got extended to mean socially excluded (越軌的，出格的；無法接受的)

Interesting, I think I'd learned that "beyond the pale" came from the boundary in Ireland some time in the middle ages.

 

[ducked]

Interesting, I think I'd learned that "beyond the pale" came from the boundary in Ireland some time in the middle ages.

Yeh, I think I've heard that too.

 

[The Q]

Cans? That;d be very unusual, surely? I can recall Halfords Classic 20W50 in a nice, retro can (Comma re-label I THINK) from a visit last year but that niche marketing seemed about it below the 55 gal drum.

1 ltr cans of oil for top ups or things like brake fluid are still around, but mostly are now plastic bottles.

 

[ducked]

1 ltr cans of oil for top ups or things like brake fluid are still around, but mostly are now plastic bottles.

The CPC DOT3 brake fluid that I used here in Taiwan came in a plastic bottle, while the DOT 4 came in a metal one. I assume this is because DOT4, IIRC, is more hygroscopic, (which, along with being twice the price, is why I didn't use it, though DOT3 was hard to find) and the plastic is perhaps a bit more permeable to moisture.

 

[vyv_cox]

The CPC DOT3 brake fluid that I used here in Taiwan came in a plastic bottle, while the DOT 4 came in a metal one. I assume this is because DOT4, IIRC, is more hygroscopic, (which, along with being twice the price, is why I didn't use it, though DOT3 was hard to find) and the plastic is perhaps a bit more permeable to moisture.

DOT4 is very aggressive stuff containing ketones or something similar. It certainly strips paint quite well, so long term in plastic containers may be somewhat risky.

 

[ducked]

DOT4 is very aggressive stuff containing ketones or something similar. It certainly strips paint quite well, so long term in plastic containers may be somewhat risky.

More aggressive than DOT3? (which also strips paint)

If I'd known that I might have bought some, since I employed the used stuff as a carb cleaner, plus a bottle did maybe 3 to 4 (a few, anyway) brake flushes, and the DOT3 might have kept better in a DOT4 bottle.

Of course one isnt supposed to keep an opened container, but wrapped in multiple plastic bags it seemed to do OK.

 

[seeSimon]

My AI says "Yes, lubricating oil is commonly retailed in pails in Europe. Pails are a standard packaging size for various lubricants, including those used in automotive and industrial applications." giving these examples (though the second one is empty)

Enviro-Lube, Yellow/Cefas E approved compound for jacking systems and open gears

innopackaging.en.made-in-china.com/product/IXrJHKcMkZVN/China-20L-Screw-Top-Lid-Plastic-Bucket-Pail-for-Oil-and-Lubricant-Oil.html


So it probably isn't true (because AI)

Pity

Jack up rig grease is pretty niche stuff...and damned expensive ( especially this new fangled environmentally friendly rubbish).
Big quantities in 205 ltr size barrels for auto greasing systems.

It's not lube oil tho!
My last jackup had big lube orders delivered in 205 l steel barrels. Small volumes in 25 ltr plastic drums.