On the horns of a dilemma.

Babylon said:
Ahem, excuse me!

You two people need to check first with Tranona whether you're allowed to punt Vancouver 27's or 28's!

If any make or model of boat doesn't suit Tranona, then it isn't going to suit the OP.

Okay?!
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I also happen to currently be a Sadler 25 man. I'm hoping a V28 will be my next...:)

I'm only singing the song that is already in the OP's heart.
 
Babylon said:
Ahem, excuse me!



If any make or model of boat doesn't suit Tranona, then it isn't going to suit the OP.

Okay?!
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Excuse me - you obviously don't read what I write.

All you are doing is illustrating what I was saying. There is a huge choice out there that would meet the OPs needs as he expressed them, so it is up to him (and his mate) to go through the process of trying to find the best match - just as you and I have done and ended up with completely different styles of boat. If that was not normal there would not be the variety there obviously is.
 
Woodlouse said:
Despite what seajet believes, a small boat isn't always best. A fairly modern 35 footer will be easily handled by two, will give you both space to move around below and won't be too jittery underway. If your both going to be 65 you probably want a boat a bit more stable than most of the sub 30 footers out there.
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I agree, my Bene 381 is a doddle to handle with just me and SWMBO, I am 65 and it isnt a prob. Spacious, comfortable and long legged.
Stu
 
greggron said:
I also happen to currently be a Sadler 25 man. I'm hoping a V28 will be my next...:)

I'm only singing the song that is already in the OP's heart.
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Going from a Sadler 25 to a V28 would indeed seem a progression from your perspective. However, the OP seems to have £50k to spend and there is a wide range of boats that will meet his basic requirement, each with their own good and bad points, so every reason for him to consider other types of boats - after all most people end up with a boat that is not like the one that meets your heart's desire, so there must be sound reasons why other types of boats are in a majority.
 
Tranona said:
Going from a Sadler 25 to a V28 would indeed seem a progression from your perspective. However, the OP seems to have £50k to spend and there is a wide range of boats that will meet his basic requirement, each with their own good and bad points, so every reason for him to consider other types of boats - after all most people end up with a boat that is not like the one that meets your heart's desire, so there must be sound reasons why other types of boats are in a majority.
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You are quite right
 
Tranona said:
...most people end up with a boat that is not like the one that meets your heart's desire, so there must be sound reasons why other types of boats are in a majority.
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greggron said:
You are quite right
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Of course he's right - he's Tranona - but not entirely so.

"Most" people might end up with a boat that is not like the one that meets your heart's desire, but not everyone.

I desired a Vancouver 27, and I ended up with one.

Then, having ended up with one, every time I've thought I might desire another boat and looked into it, I've decided that I don't in fact desire desire another boat.

Funny that.

But I think I'm in a very small minority.
 
Ditto

I set out to get a Sadler 25, got one and am delightfully happy with it. Now I am a bit more experienced I would like to have a small boat that would take me across oceans if I wanted it to because that's what it was built for. My target is the V28.

But then, I tend not to follow the crowd.
 
Babylon said:
Then, having ended up with one, every time I've thought I might desire another boat and looked into it, I've decided that I don't in fact desire desire another boat.

Funny that.

But I think I'm in a very small minority.
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Not funny at all. Every time I think I might replace either of my two boats, one of which shares many of the same characteristics as yours, I decide I don't desire any other boat.

So you are not in a minority of people who are happy with what you have. But you are (like me) in a minority in the type of boat you have chosen.

You might well ask why I own two completely different boats (just as I own two completely different cars). Simply because they were bought for different purposes and both (that is cars and boats) are well matched to my requirements. Perhaps the fact that I have owned one (the long keeler) for 33 years, the other for 13 years and one car for 10 and the other for 9.

I would, however only recommend one of the boats and one of the cars - and then only to the (many) people who have the sort of needs that are met by them. The fact that both are mass production suggests that they are suitable for large numbers of people.

So, I am right - and not alone - in believing that people should make their own choices based on their requirements, but not right about what sort of things they should buy, any more than the next person.
 
I bought a Hunter Legend 33 in April. It's my first boat having sailed mainly school boats or charters. I don't know whether it's any better or woes than any of the other boats that have been recommended but the more I sail the happier I am with the purchase.

It's set up for short handed sailing and up to now 2 of us have sailed it quite easily. The only downsides I've found so far is that it's a bit narrow getting from the cockpit to the foredeck and having a fully buttoned main and relatively small genoa she weather helms quit quickly.

The weather helm doesn't bother me because I don't see it as being a slight on my manhood to put a reef in.

Otherwise she's a pleasure to sail and I expect to be taking her out on my own by the end of the summer.

My mate is 6' 2" and has no problem wandering the cockpit or the saloon.

The upshot of this post is that I'm getting on towards your age and expect she'll be easy for you to sail so if you would like a day out to see how a Hunter handles feel free to PM me. I'm based in Weymouth.
 
Having had everything from 23 -46 ft and from the boy racer to the old plodder, my view for 2 people is:
Tiller - sailing is about feeling the boat and wind interact, wheels give you precision not feel.
Mainsheet that you can hold and sail like a dinghy - its fun, and it'll keep reminding you why you do it
An easy way of drying out - even if you don't use it, it'll get you places you only ever dreamed of.
Medium freeboard - too many modern boats are too high to access over the side. I know, they have transom platforms, but when a boat is lying to the tide at anchor getting your tender "alongside" the stern is a pain, and picking up a mooring, well! I take it you don't want to be in a marina every night?
A kettle & a fridge.
 
Genoa said:
Having had everything from 23 -46 ft and from the boy racer to the old plodder, my view for 2 people is:
Tiller - sailing is about feeling the boat and wind interact, wheels give you precision not feel.
Mainsheet that you can hold and sail like a dinghy - its fun, and it'll keep reminding you why you do it
An easy way of drying out - even if you don't use it, it'll get you places you only ever dreamed of.
Medium freeboard - too many modern boats are too high to access over the side. I know, they have transom platforms, but when a boat is lying to the tide at anchor getting your tender "alongside" the stern is a pain, and picking up a mooring, well! I take it you don't want to be in a marina every night?
A kettle & a fridge.
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While your vision of cruising as kind of nautical camping is clear, it is not one shared by everyone. Many value the things that come with high freeboard, bigger, wheel steered boats. They like the comfort, the space for separate sleeping cabins (maybe even a shower compartment), the ability to leave the boat to sail itself without having to keep hold of the mainsheet to stop it getting away from you (last thing I want to do when cruising is hold a mainsheet - but maybe that's just me) , easy sail handling and a good autopilot. All designed to enable one to make comfortable passages.

Funny how most modern cruising boats have these characteristics!

Neither you nor I know which kind of cruising appeals to Giblets and his mate, but with a £50k budget there is plenty of choice.
 
Tranona said:
While your vision of cruising as kind of nautical camping is clear, it is not one shared by everyone. Many value the things that come with high freeboard, bigger, wheel steered boats. They like the comfort, the space for separate sleeping cabins (maybe even a shower compartment), the ability to leave the boat to sail itself without having to keep hold of the mainsheet to stop it getting away from you (last thing I want to do when cruising is hold a mainsheet - but maybe that's just me) , easy sail handling and a good autopilot. All designed to enable one to make comfortable passages.

Funny how most modern cruising boats have these characteristics!

Neither you nor I know which kind of cruising appeals to Giblets and his mate, but with a £50k budget there is plenty of choice.
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I would suggest your description of a high freeboard voluminous bout that steers itself is more akin to "Nautical Camping" where the journey is secondary to the house comforts when you get there.
- I described a boat that you sail for the fun of sailing. I make no reference to the accommodation aspects except the kettle & fridge for a brew and a beer as needed to maximise the SAILING pleasure.

Giblets asked for input, that was mine. If someone asked me the way to London, I wouldn't start by saying, "would you like Motorways or the back roads?" I would tell them how I would get there.
 
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