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Well just back on the forum again and after some wonderful advice last time we are now setting our plans in full action. But one thing is puzzling us somewhat. As we are looking to sail away our early retirement years, we will be looking at a boat capable of doing potentially around the world. So with this in mind we have started looking and there is a world of difference between boats. What should we be looking at and possibly what makes would you recommend?

Thanks again P2S
 
Power2Sail said:
Hi all

Well just back on the forum again and after some wonderful advice last time we are now setting our plans in full action. But one thing is puzzling us somewhat. As we are looking to sail away our early retirement years, we will be looking at a boat capable of doing potentially around the world. So with this in mind we have started looking and there is a world of difference between boats. What should we be looking at and possibly what makes would you recommend?

Thanks again P2S
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All a question of how deep your pockets are and how spartan or not you wish your life to be. An Anderson 22 comes highly recommended.
 
There is such a range and people happily do it in Bavaria/Jeanneau/Beneteau production boats through to steel monoliths almost capable of ice breaking.

The aft cockpit production boats are designed for warm weather sailing and the living conditions are therefore much more suitable for the normal Med, Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Ocean than a boat designed to withstand Artic and Southern Ocean conditions.

People seem to have strong fixed opinions even about the warm weather routes and my take on it is that the boats people choose are based on their own dreams about the voyage - if you see yourself as Joshua Slocum or Shackleton braving the elements you wear life jackets and foul weather gear to the pub and have a steel schooner and if you dream about diving into turquoise anchorages you wear boxer shorts in a rain squall and concentrate on lots of opening window, sunshade everywhere and a big fridge for the wine.

Both types sailing the same oceans but the rufty-tufty ones seem to remember storms more vividly as part of their narrative compared to the others who remember that perfect beach bar.
 
Thanks for the replies so far, Budget will be upwards of 250k. it could be as much as 400k but that does depend on investments etc. If all goes well it could be the 400+K. But if everything goes crap it could be 150K

But looking at around 300k for the boat ?

Thanks
 
Take a look at the larger Island Packets.

Might well fit the bill. They are very good for the tropics, well insulated and good ventilation. Also, perhaps quite important, they were designed to be sailed by a mature couple.

Remember-all boats are a compromise. I suggest you put your must haves in one column and your nice to haves in another and see what comes closest.
 
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Remember CATS are also an option great space to live aboard
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Agreed, with that budget I’d go for a catamaran - you will love not rolling on those long tradewind passages and not rolling at anchor when you get there. And of course barely heeling when you spend a few days sailing upwind.

But is that the image you dream about? Chartering in the sorts of areas you might sail will give you an idea of what you and don’t like and most importantly will give you a comparison of space and light and ventilation compared to the traditional blue water types that people will keep recommending.

And centre cockpit - really? That aft swimming platform is your stepless front door to the quay and to your dinghy and an aft cockpit is so much roomier and will be your living area with downstairs just for bedrooms, bathrooms and kitchen.
 
Power2Sail said:
Thanks for the replies so far, Budget will be upwards of 250k. it could be as much as 400k but that does depend on investments etc. If all goes well it could be the 400+K. But if everything goes crap it could be 150K

But looking at around 300k for the boat ?
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The Xc (X-Yachts Cruising model) are purpose designed for just this sort of voyage, and superb fast and safe sea boats .....
https://www.x-yachts.com/en/brokerage/xc-45-39487/
 
RupertW said:
Agreed, with that budget I’d go for a catamaran - you will love not rolling on those long tradewind passages and not rolling at anchor when you get there. And of course barely heeling when you spend a few days sailing upwind.

But is that the image you dream about? Chartering in the sorts of areas you might sail will give you an idea of what you and don’t like and most importantly will give you a comparison of space and light and ventilation compared to the traditional blue water types that people will keep recommending.

And centre cockpit - really? That aft swimming platform is your stepless front door to the quay and to your dinghy and an aft cockpit is so much roomier and will be your living area with downstairs just for bedrooms, bathrooms and kitchen.
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Without getting into the centre cockpit V stern cockpit argument it's worth pointing out a few things .
Just like you I had my reservation about centre cockpit and all the negative sides ,
but having one for three years I seen a very different sides to them .

For us full time liveaboard to be able to step into and out of bed and at the same time having a bed big enough that when it really hot you not disturbing each other is a big plus to keeping each other happy .
Ok in our younger days when we didn't mind crawling into a coffin to sleep .
Also having a froward facing hatch high mean as the wind blows between the spray hood and the Bimini it tend to get force down the hatch at night keeping you very cool .

The other negatives was backing onto a quay or pontoon with just two on board , well this didn't take long to sort out , just by my partner dropping X amount of chain then returning to the stern to deal with lines while I continue dealing with the chain in the cockpit , stepping of was just like any stern cockpit boat , she just steps onto the sugar scoop .

As far as socially goes we had as many as 9 couples at one time 6!(7 at a push) can easily fit in our cockpit the rest siting on top of the stern cabin top , within easy reach of a conversation without shouting , well unless we all had a few beers.

One thing that concerns me was not being able to hear the anchor chain if we started to drag , not that we drag much , but with all these anchor alarms you can get see days that work just as well by your bed side that's sorted out that problem .

So all in all we found a centre cockpit had more advantages then a stern cockpit
To top it up ,went we in our winter marina or the odd time we go onto a quay , there much more privates then we every had on all our old boats .

Any way through I give give a bit of input of having a CC boat .
 
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Cheers for the replies up to now, its a lot to think about. But so far we have the following in our List

Halberg Rassey
Moody 41 AC, But she likes the Deck saloon model, is this ok for Ocean cruising?
X-Yachts 45

Are there any others to add?

As for the Catamaran's where to start any decent makes to look at?
 
I'm biased (as most people on here will be), but take a look at Oysters - in your price range you can get good second hand examples of the 45, 46, 485, etc. I have a much older Oyster 406, but the design themes of the modern 'smaller' Oysters can be traced back to the older boats. Well designed, well built - you may or may not like a centre cockpit, but they are worth a look. We have two very experienced sailing friends who both bought secondhand Oysters in the 45-48ft range, and as far as I am aware both have been very pleased with them. One will shortly be finishing and Atlantic circuit, and the other is about to set off on a circumnavigation. We have just taken ours across Biscay, and a previous owner took her to the Med and back.
 
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Power2Sail said:
Cheers for the replies up to now, its a lot to think about. But so far we have the following in our List

Halberg Rassey
Moody 41 AC, But she likes the Deck saloon model, is this ok for Ocean cruising?
X-Yachts 45

Are there any others to add?

As for the Catamaran's where to start any decent makes to look at?
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I’ve sailed a Lagoon cross Atlantic and found it both fast (15 knot top speed but cruised for days at 8-10) and forgiving of bad weather but I’ve always like the look of Privilege cats. Had horrible experiences with various Leopards and heard some nasty stories about (brain freeze) Broadblue?

A monohull I really liked recently for sailing, anchoring and living layout was the Hanse 505.
 
If you can get hold of a copy, it is worth looking at what Yachting Monthly in their current adition has to say about the Krakenn 50. Also in Yachting World April 2018 there is a review of the Amel 50 plus a very interesting article by Pete Goss on his choice for a Blue Water Cruiser for 2, a Garcia Exploration 46.
 
Power2Sail said:
Cheers for the replies up to now, its a lot to think about. But so far we have the following in our List

Halberg Rassey
Moody 41 AC, But she likes the Deck saloon model, is this ok for Ocean cruising?
X-Yachts 45

Are there any others to add?

As for the Catamaran's where to start any decent makes to look at?
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HRs are brilliant boats but most heading for warm waters avoid teak decks, they're too hot to stand on and cost a fortune to replace when time expired.

Many Moody boats doing long distances, we find the centre cockpit safe and far less motion than aft one (we've had two aft cockpit boats to compare) being closer to centre of pitch. Smaller boat than you're looking for but our 376 has never given us any worries on trips across Biscay and in winds gusting F9.
 
Power2Sail said:
Thanks for the replies so far, Budget will be upwards of 250k. it could be as much as 400k but that does depend on investments etc. If all goes well it could be the 400+K. But if everything goes crap it could be 150K

But looking at around 300k for the boat ?
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Well out of my price range. :)

With a Lotto winning I'd buy a Boreal 47 and explore the colder ends of the planet.
 
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