Now you must check in and out of Italy

[BrianH]

Checked into Ubli on 22 june at 15.00
No problems with pleasant pp or harbourmaster,
Nobody asked for Italy exit papers or ICC
I think the new rules havn,t filtered down to
Lastaovo yet

Did you actually check out of Italy with a formal crew-list verified by the Carabinieri?

I ask because the two cases I am familiar with from my Italian marina who cleared into the northernmost Croatian port of entry, Umag, one was asked for their Italian clearance and one was not.

Curiously, the one who had no clearance - had sailed from Italy without knowing of the new requirement - was asked and fined.

The one who had correctly complied and was so equipped, was not asked. When he produced it anyway, it was ignored, both by the police post where the Croatian crew-list is completed and stamped, then by the harbour master's office where documentation is checked and fees paid.

That made me wonder if the Italians had passed details of clearances to the Croatian authorities by email.

Or could there be any relevance that the first was Italian, the second German?

Probably not. It more likely depends on who's on duty, have they had a good day or a row with the missus ... who knows?

 

[tonybell]

As the ruling only came in at the begining of june this year I think it had not filtered down to lastovo authorities yet.
We used the crew list from Greece and they just put a note , via Vieste, at the bottom and then stamped it. We had sent exit details to two e-main addresses in Italy that we copied off the forum but we didn,t know how to get a ,read receipt, by return and they never replied so I don,t really know if it went to the right place or they even received it. I,m sure the Italians never forwarded it to Croatia and there was no mention of it in Lastovo.
I would be concerned if I was in the north of Italy where I believe they are more strict
Good luck

 

[IanJackson]

We have today checked in to Croatia through Umag from Monfalcone Italy. The police checked our passports and copied them on to a computer screen. We filled out a crewing list form which they gave us, they kept a copy and gave us a copy. They did not ask for a checking out form from Italy. We queried this and the Policeman said it was not necessary. We then went to the window next door and the very nice lady asked us for boat registration document, insurance certificate, ICC and crew list. It cost Kuna 650 (Euro 146) for 90 days 9-12M yacht. Very simple and painless procedure which took about half an hour.
Before we left Monfalcone, we asked in the marina office whether we needed to check out of Italy. We were told that we did and were given a pre-printed form to complete (like a crew list) which we took to the border police at the airport. They copied our passports, stamped the form, gave us a copy and kept a copy.

 

[BrianH]

We have today checked in to Croatia through Umag from Monfalcone Italy. The police checked our passports and copied them on to a computer screen. We filled out a crewing list form which they gave us, they kept a copy and gave us a copy. They did not ask for a checking out form from Italy. We queried this and the Policeman said it was not necessary. We then went to the window next door and the very nice lady asked us for boat registration document, insurance certificate, ICC and crew list. It cost Kuna 650 (Euro 146) for 90 days 9-12M yacht. Very simple and painless procedure which took about half an hour.
Before we left Monfalcone, we asked in the marina office whether we needed to check out of Italy. We were told that we did and were given a pre-printed form to complete (like a crew list) which we took to the border police at the airport. They copied our passports, stamped the form, gave us a copy and kept a copy.

A similar experience to my German friends who sailed from Lignano early in June.

It would appear that you cleared in at the Marina pier while they did so at the town customs pier with the police post on the pier where the Croatian crew-list is filled out then the rest of the proceedings are made in the upstairs harbourmaster office across the street.

It seems it was the first days of the new regulation in late May that someone was fined for not having cleared from Italy with the Italian crew-list stamped by the Carabinieri. Now, as many predicted, it is all too much trouble to bother with ... until someone arrives with no insurance or another of the list that they do check, then they will probably add that to the fines.

 

[tudorsailor]

Sorry to resurrect this thread. I do understand that everything might change with Brexit.

However I wonder what people's experience has been checking in and out of the Venice area from and to Croatia.

Are the Port Police neat the cruise terminal the only place to go with papers?
If I want to go from Venice and then to Chioggia before leaving Italy, do I have to go back to Venice to check out?

Are people being asked for proof of checking out of Italy when they arrive in Croatia

I plan to visit Venice in June - hence my questions!

Thanks

TudorSailor

 

[BrianH]

Sorry to resurrect this thread. I do understand that everything might change with Brexit.

However I wonder what people's experience has been checking in and out of the Venice area from and to Croatia.

Are the Port Police neat the cruise terminal the only place to go with papers?
If I want to go from Venice and then to Chioggia before leaving Italy, do I have to go back to Venice to check out?

Are people being asked for proof of checking out of Italy when they arrive in Croatia

I plan to visit Venice in June - hence my questions!

Thanks

TudorSailor

I was aboard in Italy up to last November but did not sail to Croatia last year nor did I have contact with anyone who did, so cannot say what the current requirements are. However, the only principle up to 2017 that I do have experience with was, when departing for Croatia, to have an Italian crew list stamped by the nearest Carabinieri office to the port. This means that if you want to leave from Chioggia then get it there and have verified and stamped there.

Be aware that the Carabinieri do not usually supply the crew list form, they only check the entries with the passports and stamp it. Marina or HM offices usually have blank forms and, according to when I did fill out my last one, it is specific to that port (of departure).

 

[RupertW]

Sorry to resurrect this thread. I do understand that everything might change with Brexit.

However I wonder what people's experience has been checking in and out of the Venice area from and to Croatia.

Are the Port Police neat the cruise terminal the only place to go with papers?
If I want to go from Venice and then to Chioggia before leaving Italy, do I have to go back to Venice to check out?

Are people being asked for proof of checking out of Italy when they arrive in Croatia

I plan to visit Venice in June - hence my questions!

Thanks

TudorSailor

Yes need to go to main office near cruise terminal.

Yes Croatia really do care and do check.

We crossed over to Pescara from Croatia to visit a few friends - obviously didn't bother to check in and still no need. When we eventually got to Venice and departed from Croatia we went to check out there.

If leaving Italy for a country that is not Croatia (e.g. When we left Sardinia this Summer for Menorca) there is no need to check out of Italy - in fact the whole way from Croatia to Spain the only time we checked in and out of anywhere was the start of the trip in Kremik, Croatia.

 

[RichardS]

Yes need to go to main office near cruise terminal.

Yes Croatia really do care and do check.

We crossed over to Pescara from Croatia to visit a few friends - obviously didn't bother to check in and still no need. When we eventually got to Venice and departed from Croatia we went to check out there.

If leaving Italy for a country that is not Croatia (e.g. When we left Sardinia this Summer for Menorca) there is no need to check out of Italy - in fact the whole way from Croatia to Spain the only time we checked in and out of anywhere was the start of the trip in Kremik, Croatia.

We've been based in Kremik for 5 years now and, although we are well aware of the Port Police office there, I was not aware that they could undertake customs entry/departure procedures. Have they always been able to do entry/departure formalities?

Richard

 

[RupertW]

We've been based in Kremik for 5 years now and, although we are well aware of the Port Police office there, I was not aware that they could undertake customs entry/departure procedures. Have they always been able to do entry/departure formalities?

Richard

We used to go to Primosten but about 3 years ago were told to do it directly at Kremik and now that's our exit point of choice becuase they are so quick and friendly and we get to fuel up too (which Kremik didn't have either when we were based there).

So I tend to make the turn into reverse around your catamaran (I've assumed yours is the one on the hammerhead near the head of the marina), but nobody on board to wave when we've gone past. So last time was May 2018.

 

[Luffe44]

This summer we plan to sail from Italia to Albania, later we will enter Croatia from Montenegro. Will we need stamped crewlist out of Italy and stamped crewlist entering Croatia? (I know we will get plenty of stamps in and out of Albania)

 

[tudorsailor]

This summer we plan to sail from Italia to Albania, later we will enter Croatia from Montenegro. Will we need stamped crewlist out of Italy and stamped crewlist entering Croatia? (I know we will get plenty of stamps in and out of Albania)

Short answer is you do not need paperwork from Montenegro. You will need a new crewlist for Croatia. Last year we went from Greece to Italy to Montenegro to Croatia. I omitted to check out of Greece, I did not check in or out of Italy. I certainly checked in and out of Montenegro. If you want duty free fuel in Montenegro, book your time at least a week ahead!

Make sure you check into Croatia at the first opportunity. So if you have kept close to the coast, you MUST check in at Cavtat. If you want to check in at Gruz, which in some ways is easier, make sure you go 12Nm offshore before heading towards Dubrovnik. All I was asked for in Cavtat was the name of my last port. I remembered to say Tivat and not Porto Montenegro. Porto Montenegro is not the port it is the marina. Tivat is the port

I created a blank Croatian crewlist. PM me if you'd like a copy in Word.

This year we are coming north from Greece to ALbania and then onto Montenegro and Croatia. So look for Zebahdy on the AIS!

TudorSailor

 

[tudorsailor]

Does anyone have an Italian crew list that they could scan and send? I could then make a blank version as I have with the Croatian document

Thanks

TudorSailor

 

[RupertW]

Does anyone have an Italian crew list that they could scan and send? I could then make a blank version as I have with the Croatian document

Thanks

TudorSailor

We just showed the Italians the English crew list and that's what we showed the Croatians too. The Italians are only doing it because Croatia wants them too so are very relaxed about what they are shown.

 

[BrianH]

Does anyone have an Italian crew list that they could scan and send? I could then make a blank version as I have with the Croatian document

Thanks

TudorSailor

Metabarca of this parish posted a link to a PDF file for the San Giorgio di Nogaro Carabinieri HERE ... as I mentioned, at that time each list was port specific.

My copy for Lignano a little further south, is on board some 700km distant.

 

[Metabarca]

I reckon that any paper document that resembles the pdf I posted and replaces the carabinieri office for the one you're actually using will be ok. If you can find the email address, you can also send the pdf electronically.
The first section is for the 'imbarcazione', your boat. Name, tonnage, registration number if any, where registered, number of engines, type of engine, fiscal horsepower, berth,
Then the owner: name, place and date of birth, residence.
Then the skipper: likewise, plus 'sailing licence' number, date and place of issue (clearly ,this is for Italians only). Type of travel document (obviously passport for Brits as no id cards to show).
Then the passengers: surname, name, place of birth, date of birth, type of document, number of document.

 

[tudorsailor]

I reckon that any paper document that resembles the pdf I posted and replaces the carabinieri office for the one you're actually using will be ok. If you can find the email address, you can also send the pdf electronically.
The first section is for the 'imbarcazione', your boat. Name, tonnage, registration number if any, where registered, number of engines, type of engine, fiscal horsepower, berth,
Then the owner: name, place and date of birth, residence.
Then the skipper: likewise, plus 'sailing licence' number, date and place of issue (clearly ,this is for Italians only). Type of travel document (obviously passport for Brits as no id cards to show).
Then the passengers: surname, name, place of birth, date of birth, type of document, number of document.

In case it helps, I have taken the pdf, and then put it through OCR to get an editable Word document. So here is an Italian crew list. Hopefully no spelling mistakes, but if there are please let me know
View attachment Italain crew list in Italian.doc


TudorSailor

 

[Metabarca]

A couple of tiny typos: territorio, questo - otherwise fine!
Bear in mind that "LEGIONE CARABINIERI FRIULI VENEZIA GIULIA" will become "LEGIONE CARABINIERI name of the region from which you are departing"; "Stazione di San Giorgio di Nogaro" will be "Stazione di name of the town from which you are departing" and "UFFICIO DI POLIZIA DI FRONTIERA CC. PRESSO LO SCALO MARITTIMO DI PORTO NOGARO (UD)" will probably be "UFFICIO DI POLIZIA DI FRONTIERA CC. PRESSO IL PORTO DI name of the town from which you are departing".

 

[tudorsailor]

A couple of tiny typos: territorio, questo - otherwise fine!
Bear in mind that "LEGIONE CARABINIERI FRIULI VENEZIA GIULIA" will become "LEGIONE CARABINIERI name of the region from which you are departing"; "Stazione di San Giorgio di Nogaro" will be "Stazione di name of the town from which you are departing" and "UFFICIO DI POLIZIA DI FRONTIERA CC. PRESSO LO SCALO MARITTIMO DI PORTO NOGARO (UD)" will probably be "UFFICIO DI POLIZIA DI FRONTIERA CC. PRESSO IL PORTO DI name of the town from which you are departing".

The OCR obviously could not distinguish c from e.
Now corrected

View attachment Italian crew list in Italian.doc

TudorSailor

 

[AndrewB]

Is this really new? Two years ago I arrived in Muggia (near Trieste) from Croatia, where the marina told meto check in with the police. It was a pretty laid-back affair at the local police station but it did give me a document.

Some months later at Brindisi I went to customs to check out of Italy. "So long as you are going to another Schengen state (Greece), that is unnecessary", I was told. But the implication was quite plainly that I must do so if leaving for another countries.

 

[RupertW]

Is this really new? Two years ago I arrived in Muggia (near Trieste) from Croatia, where the marina told meto check in with the police. It was a pretty laid-back affair at the local police station but it did give me a document.

Some months later at Brindisi I went to customs to check out of Italy. "So long as you are going to another Schengen state (Greece), that is unnecessary", I was told. But the implication was quite plainly that I must do so if leaving for another countries.

It was never mandatory before June 2017 but Croatia then insisted that they had to see proof from Italy to let people check in.