tangomoon
Well-Known Member
Crewsaver 275N, crotch straps, sprayhood available from Cosalt. Have them serviced every year
Mirelle
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Serious question
I'm not trying to be clever. I've bought 150N ones, reasoning that the 275N ones would be too incapacitating in the water, but wondered about the 275's.
Have you tried one out in a practice? How did you get on?
I'm not trying to be clever. I've bought 150N ones, reasoning that the 275N ones would be too incapacitating in the water, but wondered about the 275's.
Have you tried one out in a practice? How did you get on?
cliff
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Re: Serious question
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Have you tried one out in a practice? How did you get on?
[/ QUOTE ]I try mine out at least once a year when I have a blonde monent and wind up as the "victim" in another MOB drill - crew are getting tired of plucking the skipper out of the water. 275's are a little bulky but I prefer that to the sinking feeling...
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Have you tried one out in a practice? How did you get on?
[/ QUOTE ]I try mine out at least once a year when I have a blonde monent and wind up as the "victim" in another MOB drill - crew are getting tired of plucking the skipper out of the water. 275's are a little bulky but I prefer that to the sinking feeling...
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tome
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Re: Serious question
Tried entombing myself in a 275 on a survival course, couldn't escape the water into the raft. Couldn't even get my arms above my head. Horrible things- stick to 150!
Was going to say unless you are very big, but seem to remember Shy_Talk had the same problem and he's no shrinking violet
Tried entombing myself in a 275 on a survival course, couldn't escape the water into the raft. Couldn't even get my arms above my head. Horrible things- stick to 150!
Was going to say unless you are very big, but seem to remember Shy_Talk had the same problem and he's no shrinking violet
cliff
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Re: Serious question
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Was going to say unless you are very big, but seem to remember Shy_Talk had the same problem and he's no shrinking violet
[/ QUOTE ]Are you inferring I am a bat fastard? or just "big boned"?
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Was going to say unless you are very big, but seem to remember Shy_Talk had the same problem and he's no shrinking violet
[/ QUOTE ]Are you inferring I am a bat fastard? or just "big boned"?
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Re: Serious question
If you is built like me..................you is a fat barsteward! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
If you is built like me..................you is a fat barsteward! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
cliff
Well-Known Member
Re: Serious question
Brick shithouse old chap, brick shithouse. - and before some of the anal retentive jump in I ain't full of it...... just built like a brick shithouse - SOLID. (I am heavy boned as well /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
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Brick shithouse old chap, brick shithouse. - and before some of the anal retentive jump in I ain't full of it...... just built like a brick shithouse - SOLID. (I am heavy boned as well /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
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mick
Well-Known Member
Re: Why I ask .....
How heavy should a gas cylinder be?
How heavy should a gas cylinder be?
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How heavy ....
That is for you to find out ... if I tell you - then I've lost the point of the later poll and questions - to MAKE people look ...
If you think that I don't know ... think again ... I have 2 absolute new cylinders on my desk in front of me now as spares for my LJ's ...
That is for you to find out ... if I tell you - then I've lost the point of the later poll and questions - to MAKE people look ...
If you think that I don't know ... think again ... I have 2 absolute new cylinders on my desk in front of me now as spares for my LJ's ...
tangomoon
Well-Known Member
Re: Serious question
I took advice and listened and the 275N were the best. I reasoned, I wanted a lifejacket to turn me over (most likely) if I was unconscious. Crotch straps are a must if you think about it. sprayhoods, well let's hope it's not that bad when or if it happens but it's there to use if it is. I have a heart problem hence the caution but even thinking about it without that problem the 275N, crotch strap and sprayhood makes sense. Years ago when I was fishing I had no radio, no flares, no lifejackets and the bilge pump was dodgy. It makes me shudder thinking back. 275N is a little heavier. Extra movement is achieved by releasing some air - takes brain power-but we're talking survival here not glib, it's just for floating over to the hop into the liferaft
I took advice and listened and the 275N were the best. I reasoned, I wanted a lifejacket to turn me over (most likely) if I was unconscious. Crotch straps are a must if you think about it. sprayhoods, well let's hope it's not that bad when or if it happens but it's there to use if it is. I have a heart problem hence the caution but even thinking about it without that problem the 275N, crotch strap and sprayhood makes sense. Years ago when I was fishing I had no radio, no flares, no lifejackets and the bilge pump was dodgy. It makes me shudder thinking back. 275N is a little heavier. Extra movement is achieved by releasing some air - takes brain power-but we're talking survival here not glib, it's just for floating over to the hop into the liferaft
Mirelle
N/A
Thanks
Convincing answer. Agree about cructh straps and spray hood.
Convincing answer. Agree about cructh straps and spray hood.
Mirelle
N/A
A shocking result:
Nigel's post encouraged me to get on with it.
Out of five lifejackets, THREE had cylinders which were, in fact, empty. Two of these were Crewsaver autos, one was an XM auto.
Of the other two, one is a Crewsaver Hammar type and I cannot see how to get at the cylinder, whilst the other was my vintage 1984 Musto manual type (bought with a set of Musto Ocean oilskins) which was fine - probably because, not being a combined harness type, this one has had less use)
The extent of corrosion on the bottles was striking
So, how do you check the bottle weight on a Cresaver Hammar type? The bottle is inside the bladder!
Nigel's post encouraged me to get on with it.
Out of five lifejackets, THREE had cylinders which were, in fact, empty. Two of these were Crewsaver autos, one was an XM auto.
Of the other two, one is a Crewsaver Hammar type and I cannot see how to get at the cylinder, whilst the other was my vintage 1984 Musto manual type (bought with a set of Musto Ocean oilskins) which was fine - probably because, not being a combined harness type, this one has had less use)
The extent of corrosion on the bottles was striking
So, how do you check the bottle weight on a Cresaver Hammar type? The bottle is inside the bladder!
KREW2
Well-Known Member
Re: Why I ask .....
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How heavy should a gas cylinder be?
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Mine have it etched on the cylinder.
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How heavy should a gas cylinder be?
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Mine have it etched on the cylinder.
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Guest
Re: A shocking result:
I don't know the Crewsaver type specifically, but can't you reach inside the bladder and unscrew it?
I don't know the Crewsaver type specifically, but can't you reach inside the bladder and unscrew it?
Mirelle
N/A
Re: A shocking result:
Thing is, unlike the ordinary automatic type, where the cylinder is external to the airspace in the bladder, but folded into it, with the Hammar ones the cylinder really is inside the bit that inflates!
You can check that it is screwed home, as per "M" notice a year or two back, but that's all you can do!
Thing is, unlike the ordinary automatic type, where the cylinder is external to the airspace in the bladder, but folded into it, with the Hammar ones the cylinder really is inside the bit that inflates!
You can check that it is screwed home, as per "M" notice a year or two back, but that's all you can do!
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Re: A shocking result:
Hmmm... It's not possible to change the cyclinders then??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Sounds a bit dodgy!
Hmmm... It's not possible to change the cyclinders then??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Sounds a bit dodgy!
BrendanS
Well-Known Member
Re: A shocking result:
Is it anything like the setup on pages 6/7 of this manual? Haven't used this type of lifejacket, so have no personal experience
http://www.plastimo.com/pdf/lifejackets_inst(uk).pdf
Is it anything like the setup on pages 6/7 of this manual? Haven't used this type of lifejacket, so have no personal experience
http://www.plastimo.com/pdf/lifejackets_inst(uk).pdf
Oen
Well-Known Member
Re: A shocking result:
Hmmm, I have Baltic 150N autos, serviced every year by visual inspection, weighing cylinder and almost always replacing, inflating manually (not by breathing in, as this introduces moisture), leaving for 24 hours at least to ensure they remain inflated, and replacing the firing mechanism.
I've twice jumped into swimming pools for wet drills and had my jacket refuse to inflate! (These were not my jackets, nor Baltics)
Final thought. The NW Spinlock jackets (out in February) look superb, but I bought the Baltics as they had performed so well in a number of group tests, and I've not seen any group tests including Spinlock products. Any thoughts?
Hmmm, I have Baltic 150N autos, serviced every year by visual inspection, weighing cylinder and almost always replacing, inflating manually (not by breathing in, as this introduces moisture), leaving for 24 hours at least to ensure they remain inflated, and replacing the firing mechanism.
I've twice jumped into swimming pools for wet drills and had my jacket refuse to inflate! (These were not my jackets, nor Baltics)
Final thought. The NW Spinlock jackets (out in February) look superb, but I bought the Baltics as they had performed so well in a number of group tests, and I've not seen any group tests including Spinlock products. Any thoughts?
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I can't claim to have been systematic in checking lifejackets /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but, I do check them from time to time. Last year I inflated all of them at the beginning of the season, and left them overnight. I have also familiarised myself with the arming system by each year firing one of the mechanisms, and replacing the pill and bottle on that jacket. Then having refreshed my memory as to exactly how the mechanism worked, visually checked the mechanisms on the others, including unscrewing all the bottles and visually checking them, and rather unscientifically weighed them in my hand against a spare bottle.
Firing one mechanism a year means that the bottles and pills on each jacket get replaced on a rotational basis every few years... Not perfect though, especially as I don't keep a record of which ones I already fired in previous years! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
A number of times I found the bottle was beginning to work loose... I'm not sure if it would have inflated the jacket. Worse than that, last year I discovered that one of the mechanisms had been fired by someone before me! I don't know when or why...
Firing one mechanism a year means that the bottles and pills on each jacket get replaced on a rotational basis every few years... Not perfect though, especially as I don't keep a record of which ones I already fired in previous years! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
A number of times I found the bottle was beginning to work loose... I'm not sure if it would have inflated the jacket. Worse than that, last year I discovered that one of the mechanisms had been fired by someone before me! I don't know when or why...
Mirelle
N/A
Re: A shocking result:
Thanks. Brilliantly clear. Also clear that one does better to send Hammar types to an authorised agent who will have the relevant tools!
Thanks. Brilliantly clear. Also clear that one does better to send Hammar types to an authorised agent who will have the relevant tools!