Notice anything?

[jfm]

Looks to me like a typo, eg an unlit cardinal has been printed on top of a red flashing channel marker or vice versa. I can't tell if red is in the correct position using IALA B becuase from that chartlet I don't know where the harbour is - you can see that, in contrast, because you have the whole chart. If I were doing a pilotage plan I'd just make a note that the chart looks wrong so maybe expect something but not quite sure what, and use other sources of info like other lights and depth.

Twud be good to hear a definitive answer - the guessing game has gone on long enough imho

 

[SpottyDog5]

BTW, I did book my Day skipper with your old mob, but I was subbed out......

 

[oGaryo]

ok, my last angle on this one (not an obtuse one )as I have to dash to tesco to get some go juice for a long trip tomorrow... long flash but only every 10 secs, not both 10 or 15sec for a VQ light?

hoping to see the definiive answer when I get back

 

[Giblets]

David, you know as well as I do that QHM can stick what he likes where he likes in 'is own bloody harbour! Now stop trying to wind up thems wot don't know this rule!

 

[imac8]

There is no long flash. The long flash helps differentiate between a south and a west buoy?

 

[Solitaire]

I'll put you out of your dilemma. OK, it's a south cardinal so in daylight not a problem, keep south, plus it is marking a divide in the channel (cardinal marks do that as well), but look at the light sequence. It states VQ 6 - that's all. So at night how would you know that it was not a west cardinal and you'd only seen 6 of the 9 flashes. Yes, it's VQ (Very Quick) but no identification of length - 10 secs or 15 secs

So I would expect to see VQ 6+1LF 10 or 15 secs. Not just "VQ 6" as shown on the chart. This is from the IMRAY portfolio chart which I purchased about 3 months ago. Now, if I was approaching Porto Solento not knowing it and had used that mark as part of my pilotage plan I would be at a "disadvantage". Not to say possible up **** creek without a paddle!

Call me paranoid, but in the Solent charted marks are moved with greater frequency than the charts are updated, so keeping an eye on the published chart corrections is something I do now as a matter of course. I can tell all that from experience things are not always where they are supposed to be!

 

[VicS]

Its not the approach to Port Solent, its further north than that. If you got that far intending to be going to PS you'd be well and truly up the Swanny. It's the start of the approach to Fareham.

The chart shows ( correctly) the symbol for a south cardinal buoy but the light characteristic should be VQ(6) + LFl
I cannot read the time interval on the chart on Visit my harbour but its obviously printed on a proper admiralty chart


FWIW the start of Porchester Lake, leading to PS, is marked with a Fl(3) R 5secs and a West cardinal

 

[Solitaire]

David, you know as well as I do that QHM can stick what he likes where he likes in 'is own bloody harbour! Now stop trying to wind up thems wot don't know this rule!

Oh Peter, how could I...........................................

 

[Solitaire]

There is no long flash. The long flash helps differentiate between a south and a west buoy?

Well done - how is the reversing going now?

 

[[2068]]

If the fact it's not marked as VQ6 + the long flash spoils your day, then you'll probably run aground on the marsh not long afterwards anyway, as that looks like a very small scale map compared to either my Navionics, Garmin, or Admiralty charts of the same area!

Fairly sure there's a precedent somewhere of not showing the "long flash" at smaller scales.

Fundamental problem is not enough detail at that scale!

 

[oGaryo]

I'll put you out of your dilemma. OK, it's a south cardinal so in daylight not a problem, keep south, plus it is marking a divide in the channel (cardinal marks do that as well), but look at the light sequence. It states VQ 6 - that's all. So at night how would you know that it was not a west cardinal and you'd only seen 6 of the 9 flashes. Yes, it's VQ (Very Quick) but no identification of length - 10 secs or 15 secs

like what I said yonks ago but using the East cardinal as an example of being sent up the wonrg channel was putting my hand in the air for ages too shouting miss miss , me me me.... !! no justice in this classroom... I'm orf down Tesco's where OI'll be appreciated

any more of it and I'll hire this fella whilst I'm down there

 

[rib]

y would you think its anythink else but a southerly as the day shape is clear enough and its position on the chart ?.

 

[SpottyDog5]

You do like to play David ! gazzer had it straight away, you tease.

 

[chippysmith]

This is the HMS Rame Head that the chart refers to

 

[rib]

humm,does it get in the way of the southerly at low water at night ?

 

[Solitaire]

You do like to play David ! gazzer had it straight away, you tease.

Well it got almost as may responses as views - it's how you tell em! It wasn't brain surgery to see what was wrong with the symbol. Gazzer was close as were you, but close is not good enough. Could be the difference of a hole in the boat or a new set of props.

 

[MapisM]

Fundamental problem is not enough detail at that scale!

I would second that.
Out of curiosity, I had a look at the (rather old) maps I've got on my pc.
And this is the detail for that area - I'm not posting the image directly 'cause it's too large.
Not to mention the additional info available hoovering the mouse on cardinals, wrecks, etc.
As much as I understand that paper charts still have their place, I know which type of charts I'd rather use and keep updated...

 

[rib]

looks a different place and all those other bouys too

 

[imac8]

Well done - how is the reversing going now?

A lot better after our tuition. Feel happier knowing why the boat is doing what it's doing and judging the elements on approach. Wind blowing us on the berth is pretty much nailed but we've found it's much more challenging when it's NW winds and blowing us off. If the better half can get the stern warp on the far cleat as you showed us I can control the bow but a couple of times the attempted lasso hasn't looped the far cleat properly and we've been caught short. Most importantly neither of us panic now which makes it less stressful!

We'll be in touch again in the NY!

 

[jfm]

I'll put you out of your dilemma.

I'm still confused and may be being very thick (I can't even see any dilemma herefor starters). Are you saying that the chart contained a printer's error or not?

It all seems a bit daft to me. As Mapis has proved there are much finer scale charts of this area so you'd get nil pwants for navigating on the wrong (scale) chart anyway. Good illustration of the superiority of electronic charts over paper