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peterb

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Licensing? Not this one!

No one seems to have made the point that this is one case where licensing would have no effect whatever. The laws say that the license you need is that required by the flag state, in this case America (presumably the USA). Even if UK law said that everyone one board had to have a master's qualification, this is one boat that it wouldn't apply to. He has to comply with US law, which I believe does not require qualifications. And I can't see US law being modified because of the behaviour of one ancient American in the English Channel.

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Re: Licensing? Not this one!

Hello,
I don't think that's strictly true. In a similar way to if you take a British ship to French waters, I think they like to see an ICC or something, so the same would apply to any foreign vessel within UK waters. By entering into another countries territorial waters you enter into the juristiction of that country, and have to comply with any legislation that applies to you, regardless of nationality, be it of the skipper or the vessel.

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Captain Calamity - 1 and 2

1. Eric Abbott was a 50 odd years old, and had largely self fitted his own yacht "No-VAT" over nearly 2 decades since he lost his job as a painter. He used an AA Atlas to find his way around the rocks and sandbanks of N.Wales and The Irish sea. And he was Welsh.

After a brief tabloid scrap, The Sun signed him up during a period of no news. Having paid for an RYA course for him they got their photo of him with rest of the course participants who appeared to be between 18 and 22 years old, female, and looked bloody good in The Sun t-shirts 2 sizes too small.

Two day later he was reported to have jumped ship without completing the course, which he felt was beneath his level of competence.

Fact was the real crew were not the same as those featured in the photo shoot, and I would have done the same!

He was a complete Dick Head.

2. Stuart Hill, the other "Captain Calamity" was more of an adventurer who had an apparently fairly well designed hull (converted rowing boat) with windsurf rig, with which he planned to circumnavigate UK. He certainly wasn't rescued so many times but his endeavor was ended off Shetland in heavy seas (heavy for a 15 foot boat that is). He got about 1/2 way round in a reasonably organised attempt.

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American? Hm... I wonder did anybody tell him that the buoyage system (green and red) is the opposite from that in the US?

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Hello,
I don't think that was the point I was making, and if I was then it was not intended. The point I was trying to make was that we have seen one MCA release, yet if a major newspaper picked up on it then they may well have taken a different slant on it, which in the case of these 'Capatain Calamities' they certainly did. I am also affraid that as people get older, physical strength begins to deteriate, meaning that if an elderly sailor does get into trouble then he or she may be less able to help themselves. However, they are more likely to have greater experience than younger sailors and so may avoid getting into trouble in the first place. It is reassuring to know that people are able to persue their interests with the support of an excellent lifeboat organisation.

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